Kiita Or Asagi?

[jpcwon]

Hello All,

Here is a new stone that I just got from Takeshi (aframestokyo).....He advertised the stone as a Nakayama Kiita, but upon receiving the stone I can't help but notice the Asagi tendencies it has....I'd say it looks more Kiita'ish when wet, though....

So what say you...do you think this stone is more Asagi or more Kiita? I guess some pics would help, huh...

 

[Cobre]

Hi JP, nice rock!

In my limited jnat experience I would say that it looks kiita to me

 

[jpcwon]

Hi JP, nice rock!

In my limited jnat experience I would say that it looks kiita to me

Thanks!!

Now that I've lapped it (Used Atoma 400, 600, 1200) I definitely agree that it looks more kiita than anything else...or does it??

Here's a pic of it freshly lapped...

 

[Cobre]

Thanks!!

Now that I've lapped it (Used Atoma 400, 600, 1200) I definitely agree that it looks more kiita than anything else...or does it??

Here's a pic of it freshly lapped...

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Yup, it looks very Kiita to me

 

[drmatt357]

Well, I think you have too many stones so send it to me and I'll test it for a while and let you know.

 

[jpcwon]

Cool...I am excited to test this one out as this is my first Kiita! I will post a report asap....I guess it's pretty evident that my JNAT identifying skills leave a lot to be desired!!! haha

Well, I think you have too many stones so send it to me and I'll test it for a while and let you know.

Hmm, let me think about it...

Question: Is the presence of a Kan pattern something that's inherent to Kiitas only or can other stones have it too?

 

[jpcwon]

OK, here's the real reason I thought it might've been an Asagi....Here is the stone in question side-by-side with my Nakayama Tomae Asagi (to the left)...both have similar coloring, no?

 

[Steve56]

Hard to say. Kiita is generally considered yellow and not orange, so if the color is more orange-ish like rust as are the outer prominent circle(s), then it's likely an asagi with circular yake (sunrise) patterns. The circular patterns are called kan. For an outrageous example of a kan pattern, take a look at Gamma's stone he posted recently.

Next question, what color is the slurry with a diamond plate? If it's pure kiita, it should be pure yellow. If it's a halfsie, it should be kind of green, a mixing of blue and yellow.

Here's an example of an asagi from Takeshi, but it's a lot kiita by appearance with some light mizo blue asagi areas that turn the slurry greenish. Truth is, it's a half and half. It's nice, one of the better razor hones I have though I'm always looking for more... It's not really hard, about like you'd expect of a kiita, but very fine and polishes too much for laminated knives, but just great for razors or microbevels on knives.

Cheers, Steve

 

[buca3152]

Good luck with that one! Nice stone. I though you were done buying (until the next one haha!) let us know how you make out with it.

 

[Steve56]

Yep, most types of stones can show kan. Here's a bad image of an akepin showing a faint kan (circular) pattern on the left side. The tree-ring like patterns are called mokume IIRC. I've boosted the contrast to enhance the kan. The stone is actually a salmon color.

This is the only stone I have from our friend 330Mate. Not a bad stone, very fine, pretty soft and muddy, and pretty consistent so far but I doubt that will hold far into the stone. It's a slow cutter, just doesn't have a lot of grit in it. I use it to dress the face of stones after I've lapped them. Works great.

Cheers, Steve

 

[Brooksie967]

Looks inbetweenish to me too, leaning on the kiita side of the house. Asagi, afaik are gray to light blueish while the Kiita can range from a brightish orange to lemon yellow like the stone I posted not too long ago. It's hard to tell the true colour from your pictures as your white balance looks WAY way off.

 

[Gamma]

It's my understanding that Kan is a pattern that resembles tree rings, Mokume resembles the grain in wood planks. I've also seen, owned actually, a heavily swirled pattern and it was called Mokume also, but the word 'mokume' was followed by another qualifier that I forget at the moment.
Asagi and Kita can both have Kan.
I would have to work with it to have an opinion one way or another to be honest. It's a pretty stone regardless, and Im sure it'll treat you well.

 

[jpcwon]

Thanks for the responses, guys....Well I just honed a razor on it...Set the bevel on 1k C, then did Bot/Tenj/Mej/Koma/DMT Tomo. The slurry from the DMT credit card was whitish-greyish-green, which sort of resembles the slurry from my Tomae Asagi....SO I guess maybe we can classify this one as an "in-betweener".....Nevertheless it's a really nice stone to hone on...Pretty hard and very fine....

Good luck with that one! Nice stone. I though you were done buying (until the next one haha!) let us know how you make out with it.

So did I!!

 

[Obiwan]

Do you have any photos of slurry from diamond plate?

(nice looking stone either way)

 

[jpcwon]

Do you have any photos of slurry from diamond plate?

(nice looking stone either way)

Sure!! It's a bad pic and like Jeremy (Brooksie) said my White balance is waay off, but here's some slurry on the stone....It tough to see but it's kinda greyish green in person...

 

[Brooksie967]

Slurry from a Kiita stone will dry to an ivory like colour while the asagi stones I have dry to either a white or grayish colour, hope that helps. Much better pic this time JP

That's a funny little stone but I quite like this one my friend!

 

[jpcwon]

Slurry from a Kiita stone will dry to an ivory like colour while the asagi stones I have dry to either a white or grayish colour, hope that helps. Much better pic this time JP

That's a funny little stone but I quite like this one my friend!

Interesting and good to know!! I agree it is a funny stone...It has a bit of an an identity crisis!

 

[Doc226]

I call it junk, send my way for proper disposal.

Call it what you call it, it really does not matter, what matters is how it works.

 

[Gamma]

Can you let the stone dry out, then take a pic of it with a small splash of water on the top.
don't wet the whole top, or use a lot of water, just put a small pool in the middle.

 

[jpcwon]

Can you let the stone dry out, then take a pic of it with a small splash of water on the top.
don't wet the whole top, or use a lot of water, just put a small pool in the middle.

Shoot, I didn't see your post till this AM....I am currently at work but I will snap a pic of that when I get home...