What's a Yankee Marshall?
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Well, Jerry Miculek shoots for S&W, not Glock. While I'd accept him as the ultimate in high speed low drag I'm not sure I'd say that for Smith. I do need to revisit them, I guess.To those of us that are high speed low drag, it's a really big deal.
Please don't tell me you are a "Yankee Marshall" fan? Bleck...
Nevermind. No, just NO!What's a Yankee Marshall?
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Well, Jerry Miculek shoots for S&W, not Glock. While I'd accept him as the ultimate in high speed low drag I'm not sure I'd say that for Smith. I do need to revisit them, I guess.
Then again I'm probably going back to my ancient religion. I've got a Commander sized Kimber in .38 Super on layaway.
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These have a low bore axis too. Probably has a better trigger. Was the Gold Standard at some point:
He's old but he certainly has managed to stay relevant.See, this post of yours confuses me Randy. First, you say the Colt is washed up because it's old. Then you say, Jerry Miculek is the man, and yet he is old also. You're being very contradictory in our debate Randy.
He's old but he certainly has managed to stay relevant.
That was what made me save the picture a couple years ago. Found it looking for something else in my photo bucket.Can't believe you posted a pic of that old cap n ball in a kydex holster. You're liable to give one of our old... I mean, "Traditionalists" a heart attack.
....so this elephant walks into a bar..
Randy and myself have been having an intelligent debate. You should try again to attempt to join in Shawn... Cuz that post, wasn't it.
And just in case you didn't know, the very unpopular HK VP70 (High Point) discontinued looooong before Gaston Glock created 'Glock Perfection'.
So if you are saying that Colt IS the gold standard of ARs because they were the first AR model, then that would be true of anything that was the first of it's kind. That hand cannon was the first "handgun" to be produced.
I will admit, and have, Colt WAS the gold standard for some time. Both in the AR style platform and 1911 platform. They have lost that title. There are more common, better made, and well known models of both platforms available today.
Glock earned their spot on the board for some time. They were the most widely known and still a reliable poly pistol. But like Colt, they are being caught up with and surpassed in fame.
As to the original posting, and reasoning behind this whole thing, Glock didn't make the price bid. Plain and simple.
You are quite right. But Stoner's creation was abysmal during Vietnam. It was Colt who FIRST, took Stoner's creation and made it work. Colt was FIRST to make it a success and a household name.
Bad day... I actually mis-quoted a couple things and confused myself. I'm going back to hide in my corner now.Either you haven't read the entire thread, or you have missed or ignored, where we discussed Eugene Stoner/Armalite, who was the first to make the M-16/AR-15 platform. If you missed that, then you missed the fact that I know Colt wasn't the first. And you also missed, where we discussed how awful Stoner's rifle was for our troops in Vietnam. And you missed the most important part of that conversation, where I said The Colt was the "first to make it successful."
The definition you used of Gold Standard from Webster's dictionary, has nothing to do with the fact, that anybody who knows anything or has any experience with AR's knows, that every single gun forum or gun enthusiast has knowledge of this usage of phrase in the AR community, and refers to the Colt as the "Gold Standard" of AR's. And the reason they do this, isn't because it was first, But because Colt was the first TO DO THE AR RIGHT.
And since they were first to do it right, anyone and everyone who has or will attempt to make a successful or even better AR, has and or will copy that blueprint of success that was established by Colt. And I make this exact same argument for Glock.
The HK VP70 was the first polymer pistol, but it wasn't even close to being popular or successful. Glock however, made that success happen. Anyone who makes a polymer now and wishes it to be successful, is following Glock's Gold Standard of success and only hoping they too, can be as successful as Glock.
This has always been the debate I have maintained, lets not switch it up to something completely different that has no bearing. Any new AR or polymer still, has to copy/follow that model of success. No matter how great you think their gun is. And in doing so, makes and keeps the former two we have been discussing, the Gold Standards.
After 32 years, I would hope others would catch up. As to the surpassed in fame part, That is just wishful thinking, not reality... yet.
As to my OP and the reasoning behind it, I'm pretty sure I was the first to state this. Plain & Simple.
Some of the reading I have done on this topic puts the blame on the Army switching to a cheaper powder for the ammo. This created cleaning issues.
You are correct on the cleaning kits, Okie. Any failure of that magnitude has many causes.