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FarmerTan

"Self appointed king of Arkoland"
I'm an atheist, and I wish people a Merry Christmas, if they look festive or if they wish me a Merry Christmas. Just because I don't believe doesn't mean I come all-over grinch-like because someone else does believe. I like the nativity scenes fine, too: they add color to the park. What I hate about "the holidays" is the constant, blaring commercialism.
VERY well said. I am a Christian. I say happy holidays most of the time. Mainly because I sing Andy Williams' version in my head all winter long, lol.
 
Even though Christmas is exactly two weeks from today, I feel it's too early to say it! I'm not anti-Christmas or anything remotely similar to it. I love this time of year (with exception to the cold weather, which I hate). I'm just not in the spirit of Christmas yet and have not said "Merry Christmas" to anyone...and probably won't for at least another week. Kind of like saying Happy Halloween the entire month of October. Or Happy Valentines day for the entire month of February. But I digress. I'm pleased to hear people say it and will say it in response if someone says it to me.
When the Christmas season starts in mid-September, it's easy to get burned out by December. The "war on Christmas" is over and Wal-Mart won.
 

oc_in_fw

Fridays are Fishtastic!
My last post in this one is to the people who claim to follow Christ, yet get twisted when someone says Happy Holidays. Do you think Jesus would approve of your actions when you go into jerk mode when someone gives you a salutation that you do not approve of? Hell, what would Mr. Rogers have to say about it? You are told to go out as a light in the world, and to live as an example of your faith, not to be a grumpy, petulant jerk.
 

FarmerTan

"Self appointed king of Arkoland"
My last post in this one is to the people who claim to follow Christ, yet get twisted when someone says Happy Holidays. Do you think Jesus would approve of your actions when you go into jerk mode when someone gives you a salutation that you do not approve of? Hell, what would Mr. Rogers have to say about it? You are told to go out as a light in the world, and to live as an example of your faith, not to be a grumpy, petulant jerk.
Thank you for the reminder my friend. I'm a work in progress, but I will fail daily without reminders.
 

oc_in_fw

Fridays are Fishtastic!
Thank you for the reminder my friend. I'm a work in progress, but I will fail daily without reminders.
Please don’t think that I aimed this at anyone, just making a general statement. I did bring up Mr. Rogers for a reason. Many know I am an atheist who used to be a believer. Even as an atheist, I have no problems with Christians, and respect many. I respect him because he lives by his beliefs.
 
It's stupid to assume anyone celebrates Christmas coast or not. It's just that as a general rule, they just don't care here in KS - I'll leave it to you to decide if that's a good or a bad thing.

As an example, I was taking a class where they had "the best head hunters in KS" come talk to the class. They were talking about the interview process and how you should not wear anything identifiable associating you to any religion or association. I asked the presenters if they were actually promoting their business during this talk. They agreed that they were. So I asked why on earth they were wearing crosses around their necks after telling us all that. They turned beat read, I got up and left. The prof was furious.

I personally couldn't have cared, but it was obvious they were a bunch of tools who believed that ... well, you get it.

As a member of what's called the invisible minority, I am acutely aware of who is bigoted and who isn't. I think it's great to have faith. I don't care what faith. Merry Christmas, Merry whatever... I just say to just remember, Christians will not always be in the majority for much longer. Don't fight too hard.

It's a bit different when meeting with the public. You don't discuss politics or religion or even sports. We don't wear anything of that nature. I have a pin that says "Merry Christmas" and another that says "Bah, Humbug," and wouldn't dare wear them while meeting the public for business.

Have I said "Merry Christmas" while meeting the public? Sure. I wouldn't say that to some Buddhists or to Hindus or to Muslims or to Jews I've known and encountered, but I have used it.
 
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My last post in this one is to the people who claim to follow Christ, yet get twisted when someone says Happy Holidays. Do you think Jesus would approve of your actions when you go into jerk mode when someone gives you a salutation that you do not approve of? Hell, what would Mr. Rogers have to say about it? You are told to go out as a light in the world, and to live as an example of your faith, not to be a grumpy, petulant jerk.

I could go off on a tangent here, particular over what's called the "Christmas spirit" which should be extended to others the entire year. Don't be a jerk is a good axiom, but raised the question of what precisely that means. If someone says "Happy Holidays" to me, I'll say "Merry Christmas" in return, but that's all. That doesn't mean we have to smile and nod like that coin operated absolution machine in Sherlock Holmes' Smarter Brother over removing the title Christ from the celebration centered around His birth. That doesn't mean we have to get all in someone's face over it, but it's not something we should always ignore, either.
 

FarmerTan

"Self appointed king of Arkoland"
Please don’t think that I aimed this at anyone, just making a general statement. I did bring up Mr. Rogers for a reason. Many know I am an atheist who used to be a believer. Even as an atheist, I have no problems with Christians, and respect many. I respect him because he lives by his beliefs.
I did NOT take assume you were aiming at me my friend. I should have kept my mouth shut. I CHOSE to take your post as an opportunity to reflect on my often less than Christlike actions.
The War On Christmas shots came late this year.
Good point.

Gives one hope!
 
My last post in this one is to the people who claim to follow Christ, yet get twisted when someone says Happy Holidays. Do you think Jesus would approve of your actions when you go into jerk mode when someone gives you a salutation that you do not approve of? Hell, what would Mr. Rogers have to say about it? You are told to go out as a light in the world, and to live as an example of your faith, not to be a grumpy, petulant jerk.
I think the grumpy petulant jerk part is in the Gospel of Thomas.
 
I'm Jewish. My uncle used to own a toy store. Every Christmas, we'd have Chinese food at his house and he would lead "What a friend we have in Jesus."
 
I could go off on a tangent here, particular over what's called the "Christmas spirit" which should be extended to others the entire year. Don't be a jerk is a good axiom, but raised the question of what precisely that means. If someone says "Happy Holidays" to me, I'll say "Merry Christmas" in return, but that's all. That doesn't mean we have to smile and nod like that coin operated absolution machine in Sherlock Holmes' Smarter Brother over removing the title Christ from the celebration centered around His birth. That doesn't mean we have to get all in someone's face over it, but it's not something we should always ignore, either.

If somebody greets you with "Happy Holidays" then it's really not appropriate to answer with "Merry Christmas" unless you know that person clearly celebrates Christmas. There's no reason to do that. If that person doesn't celebrate Christmas, it does come across as getting in their face over it.

Remembering "the reason for the season" is intended for Christians who need to be reminded to not get completely wrapped up in the secular side of the holiday. It's not for people you don't know. In general, the smartest play is to not assume anything about anyone. That is why retail clerks etc. aren't supposed to say Merry Christmas, because you can't assume things about the customers. That's all. It has nothing whatsoever to do with trying to take away the meaning of Christmas, and anyone who says otherwise is being untruthful to you. It's nothing more than being mindful of the fact that we don't all go to the same church and we need to be respectful of one another's choices.
 

FarmerTan

"Self appointed king of Arkoland"
If somebody greets you with "Happy Holidays" then it's really not appropriate to answer with "Merry Christmas" unless you know that person clearly celebrates Christmas. There's no reason to do that. If that person doesn't celebrate Christmas, it does come across as getting in their face over it.

Remembering "the reason for the season" is intended for Christians who need to be reminded to not get completely wrapped up in the secular side of the holiday. It's not for people you don't know. In general, the smartest play is to not assume anything about anyone. That is why retail clerks etc. aren't supposed to say Merry Christmas, because you can't assume things about the customers. That's all. It has nothing whatsoever to do with trying to take away the meaning of Christmas, and anyone who says otherwise is being untruthful to you. It's nothing more than being mindful of the fact that we don't all go to the same church and we need to be respectful of one another's choices.
Very well said.
 
If somebody greets you with "Happy Holidays" then it's really not appropriate to answer with "Merry Christmas" unless you know that person clearly celebrates Christmas. There's no reason to do that. If that person doesn't celebrate Christmas, it does come across as getting in their face over it.

Remembering "the reason for the season" is intended for Christians who need to be reminded to not get completely wrapped up in the secular side of the holiday. It's not for people you don't know. In general, the smartest play is to not assume anything about anyone. That is why retail clerks etc. aren't supposed to say Merry Christmas, because you can't assume things about the customers. That's all. It has nothing whatsoever to do with trying to take away the meaning of Christmas, and anyone who says otherwise is being untruthful to you. It's nothing more than being mindful of the fact that we don't all go to the same church and we need to be respectful of one another's choices.

It's interesting: Although, in North America, those who celebrate Christmas predominate, it's considered by some to be presumptuous to say "Merry Christmas," and yet it's not considered presumptuous to assume that a random person in North America does not. Unless I'm in a Kingdom Hall, or Buddhist Temple, or with Hindus or Jews or Muslims, odds favor that a person I say "Merry Christmas" celebrates Christmas, unless there's indications otherwise.

Besides which, I don't do politically correct.
 
If somebody greets you with "Happy Holidays" then it's really not appropriate to answer with "Merry Christmas" unless you know that person clearly celebrates Christmas. There's no reason to do that. If that person doesn't celebrate Christmas, it does come across as getting in their face over it.

Remembering "the reason for the season" is intended for Christians who need to be reminded to not get completely wrapped up in the secular side of the holiday. It's not for people you don't know. In general, the smartest play is to not assume anything about anyone. That is why retail clerks etc. aren't supposed to say Merry Christmas, because you can't assume things about the customers. That's all. It has nothing whatsoever to do with trying to take away the meaning of Christmas, and anyone who says otherwise is being untruthful to you. It's nothing more than being mindful of the fact that we don't all go to the same church and we need to be respectful of one another's choices.

I think this is fair. I can appreciate attempts at being inclusive to diversity, because let's be real, Christmas overshadows other holidays. It's everywhere. In the stores, on the radio, on TV, in all the shop windows. Christmas is even a federal holiday, though at this point many people observe it in a secular manner, so I suppose that's another debate.

I guess my point is, I'm not going to be mad at whatever holiday greeting is given to me, because it comes with good intentions. And I think most people see there's no ill will there. But, I can also understand how someone who doesn't celebrate Christmas would appreciate that small gesture among the tidal wave of Christmas they already face this time of year.
 
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