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A prophecy of badger doom

I have very basic knowledge of brushes. I bought a Maseto Silvertip 26mm because I assumed that was the right kind of brush to have. I preferred using a Yaqi tuxedo 26mm synth, so after a week of trying both one against the other I sold the Maseto. Went over to synths, bought 2 more Yaqi and thought no more about brushes. All my soaps lather and perform so brushes are the least of my worries.
 
I have very basic knowledge of brushes. I bought a Maseto Silvertip 26mm because I assumed that was the right kind of brush to have. I preferred using a Yaqi tuxedo 26mm synth, so after a week of trying both one against the other I sold the Maseto. Went over to synths, bought 2 more Yaqi and thought no more about brushes. All my soaps lather and perform so brushes are the least of my worries.

I'm similar.

I don't really care if its boar, syn or Angel hair, once I find a winning formula,, a good knot and handle I'll get a few different versions and I'm done.

My problem is I'm a bit of a perfectionist so, by the time I've found that perfect knot/handle I might have gone through a dozen or more brushes... Sigh.
 
By "technical", i mean that the boar, requires more skill than the badgers to work with. Especially the smaller knots. How many times people come in here because their "boar doesn't hold lather for 2 passes"? You don't see that with badger.

I might be wrong with Cella, but i think the company simply tries to weigh the sales potential of the green cream. Because they never had 2 product lines before. So why did they do it now? For variety? I don't think so. The debate about "not using animals" is like a political wildfire that keeps spreading. Companies don't even have to explain anymore when they say "ethical reasons". The implied meaning is clearly understood. If they see that "Cella green" sells well, i am afraid "Cella red" will at some point be killed.

You make a good point about Turkey and Asian market. The trend will probably take much longer time to reach them. Unless of course, the US and EU market collapses because people stop buying tallow Arko due to "ethical reasons". At that point, Arko's company might be forced to reformulate. But this might happen when younger generations of wetshavers become majority...

You are right about german products. They are most likely the next "time bomb" waiting to reformulate...
A local shaving seller had Tabac sticks for a very good price (I think just over £3, price has gone up again) and I regret not getting a lifetime worth of Tabac sticks for not a huge amount! Well, when I say a lifetime worth I think 2 sticks would last me a very long time.
FWIW, even if the 'mainstream' tallow soaps go, I imagine there will be specialist soaps eg Fine Accoutrements and so on will step in.

Yes, I get what you mean about boar brushes taking some time to dial in and there being fewer issues with badger brushes along those lines.

My problem with vegan products is not performance or lack of empathy. My problem is who enforces it as a religion and why. Veganism isn't pulled from bellow but pushed from above. It's tyranny and I won't support its normalization.
I can't speak for things outside the UK but in the UK the word vegan can be replaced for many dialogues where there may be conflicting perspectives where there is a complete lack of empathy. It's a shame to see such an environment but I can't see it improving at anytime soon.
 
I can't speak for things outside the UK but in the UK the word vegan can be replaced for many dialogues where there may be conflicting perspectives where there is a complete lack of empathy. It's a shame to see such an environment but I can't see it improving at anytime soon.

Indoctrination with propaganda like Disney cartoons portraying wild dangerous animals as cuddly man's best friends, or political sci-fi like Star Trek insulting elementary school grade physics knowledge, are ongoing for generations and wont stop any time soon. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
 
Horse hair comes from the horse meat food industry, which primarily caters for pet food. But if you need to envision a flamboyant horse stylist trimming off Secretariat's hair and meticulously gathering all the hair strand in hand woven organic hemp basket so you can buy a $10 Vie-Long, then more power to ya.

My problem with vegan products is not performance or lack of empathy. My problem is who enforces it as a religion and why. Veganism isn't pulled from bellow but pushed from above. It's tyranny and I won't support its normalization.

Are you certain about that?

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It seems that horse owners spend more time caring about the horse hair, than riding the horse.


"Full shave"


If Vie-Long has an agreement with some establishments to pay a small sum for the cut hair which for the owners is just garbage, i don't see the difficulty in that.


"A misconception exists that horses are commonly slaughtered for pet food. In many countries, such as the United States, horse meat was outlawed for use in pet food in the 1970s. American horse meat is considered a delicacy in Europe and Japan, and its cost is in line with veal,[42] so it would be prohibitively expensive in many countries for pet food.[43]"

Horse meat - Wikipedia
 
A local shaving seller had Tabac sticks for a very good price (I think just over £3, price has gone up again) and I regret not getting a lifetime worth of Tabac sticks for not a huge amount! Well, when I say a lifetime worth I think 2 sticks would last me a very long time.
FWIW, even if the 'mainstream' tallow soaps go, I imagine there will be specialist soaps eg Fine Accoutrements and so on will step in.

Yes, I get what you mean about boar brushes taking some time to dial in and there being fewer issues with badger brushes along those lines.
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I don't have particular problems to use any soap. But i did stock up in Haslinger tallow before the vegan version replaced the old one... Better safe than sorry. And using 1 puck per year in my rotations, i will have a 19 year reserve, unless they go rancid before that.
 
I think the cheaper badger brushes might well be largely replaced by synths, which in my experience perform far better at that price point. However, more mid-range brushes will probably contain knots of both types — there's no real reason for either one to win out completely. At the luxury end badger hair could hang on for a long time, simply because it is expensive and, in many cases, feels good and performs well.
 
The horse byproducts from the food industry is used as pet food, brushes, glue etc. How is that different from pigs or veal?
 

Raven Koenes

My precious!
If what I have read is true, that the Chinese produce 500,000 Badger shaving brushes per month, it won't be long before there is a lack of resources.
 
That looks like a rabbit nest! (or I guess badger in this case)
Little bunny rabbits curled up together look a lot like that lol.

Thanks!

Josh, re: Atlanta b&m shop, visit the AOS store at Lenox.
While there, compare their travel/pure/best/silvertip brushes, low->high badger quality.

Or, more simply, just let loose and pull the trigger on a few brushes from online sellers!!

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I think the cheaper badger brushes might well be largely replaced by synths, which in my experience perform far better at that price point. However, more mid-range brushes will probably contain knots of both types — there's no real reason for either one to win out completely. At the luxury end badger hair could hang on for a long time, simply because it is expensive and, in many cases, feels good and performs well.

If the badgers become scarse, synthetics will be mainstream and badgers will skyrocket in price. Unless, the badgers become so scarce that China has to declare them protected species, at which point, they will become not just luxury, but supreme luxury item.

Who here is looking into raising their own badgers?

I am sure who isn't looking! @sarimento1

If what I have read is true, that the Chinese produce 500,000 Badger shaving brushes per month, it won't be long before there is a lack of resources.

500.000 per month! Is there so high demand?! I hope they 're breeding them in badger farms. Otherwise, farewell chinese badger.
 
If the badgers become scarse, synthetics will be mainstream and badgers will skyrocket in price. Unless, the badgers become so scarce that China has to declare them protected species, at which point, they will become not just luxury, but supreme luxury item.



I am sure who isn't looking! @sarimento1



500.000 per month! Is there so high demand?! I hope they 're breeding them in badger farms. Otherwise, farewell chinese badger.
My understanding is the badger population in China is a lot like the rabbit population in Australia--out of control. And, to quote Mrs. Lovett, a badger is probably good for "6 or 7 at the most."
 
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