3 T's should be 4

[Jethro1984]

Gentlemen,

We presently say there are 3 T's (Geo F. Trumpers, Taylor of Old Bond Street, and Truefitt/Hill). I propose we should include a 4th. Although "the" can seem like a rather unimportant word, when it is part of the name "The Art of Shaving", it should be considered important. The creams seem popular enough here as to be batched in with the others mentioned. Even so, i'm sure I will get flamed for such a suggestion...so let's get on with it! What do you think?

 

[RF1963]

I disagree with the suggestion.

I suggest that The 3Ts are bound by more than a letter of the alphabet. They have history and geography (and I don't mean the High School subjects) on their side. The issue of Royal Warrants, serving the aristocracy and the famous are all common to The 3Ts. They are an institution, individually and collectively.

The Art of Shaving is, to the best of my knowledge, a franchise or a retail outlet spread across America. The 3Ts may have shifted business premises over the years but are not likely to appear in a mall near you anytime soon (and I acknowledge that T&H have premises in Chicago, Las Vegas and Toronto).

I cannot dispute the quality of TAOS products but to me the 3Ts denote history and quality and expertise. When TAOS can state that they have provided grooming products and services to discerning gentlemen for over two centuries than I'll agree to The 4Ts.

 

[Jethro1984]

They have history and geography (and I don't mean the High School subjects) on their side. The issue of Royal Warrants, serving the aristocracy and the famous are all common to The 3Ts. They are an institution.

I did not consider this point. However, as I understand it, AOS creams/soaps are actually manufactured in England...methinks probably very near the other companies. I could be wrong on this though.

In terms of experience in manufacturing, another good point. AOS is certainly new to the game although I will give them props for, in at least one way, trying to bring shaving back to it's roots. The only thing I don't like is how they push the Fusion, even though they are now owned by P&G (as is Gillette).

 

[BladeDE40]

I agree that AOS is a pretty popular brand and appears to be highly regarded, although I've never tried it. The problem with what you propose though is that "The Art of Shaving" is rarely referenced as such, I see it mostly referred to as AOS making it one of the "A's". Aside from that, I believe the 3 T's are often grouped together as they are all produced by the same manufacturer, Creighton (sp?), and from what I know AOS is not. Just my 2 cents...

 

[BladeDE40]

I did not consider this point. However, as I understand it, AOS creams/soaps are actually manufactured in England...methinks probably very near the other companies. I could be wrong on this though.

In terms of experience in manufacturing, another good point. AOS is certainly new to the game although I will give them props for, in at least one way, trying to bring shaving back to it's roots. The only thing I don't like is how they push the Fusion, even though they are now owned by P&G (as is Gillette).

I'm not sure about creams, but I know that AOS manufacturers their soaps in house...

 

[Frosty]

I disagree with the suggestion.

I suggest that The 3Ts are bound by more than a letter of the alphabet. They have history and geography (and I don't mean the High School subjects) on their side. The issue of Royal Warrants, serving the aristocracy and the famous are all common to The 3Ts. They are an institution, individually and collectively.

The Art of Shaving is, to the best of my knowledge, a franchise or a retail outlet spread across America. The 3Ts may have shifted business premises over the years but are not likely to appear in a mall near you anytime soon (and I acknowledge that T&H have premises in Chicago, Las Vegas and Toronto).

I cannot dispute the quality of TAOS products but to me the 3Ts denote history and quality and expertise. When TAOS can state that they have provided grooming products and services to discerning gentlemen for over two centuries than I'll agree to The 4Ts.

+1 it's a bit like suggesting a very fine academic institution like say Stanford should be added to the "Ivy League"

 

[Jethro1984]

+1 it's a bit like suggesting a very fine academic institution like say Stanford should be added to the "Ivy League"

Well played sir!

You are all making very good points. I did start this thread with a bit of mischievous intention just to see what everyone would say, i'll admit to it, that's why I stated I knew the flaming was going to occur!

Keep them coming!

And to the poster that said the 3 T's are all made by the same company...is this really true? I'm checking, because that's interesting.

 

[Frosty]

Ha ha Jethro. I hope you don't think it's a flaming. just a different point of view
I just think it's not necessary to bunch AoS with the 3Ts. AoS is an excellent brand and can stand on it's own merits. The 3Ts represent (to me at least, as a Brit) something more than just excellent gentleman's shops.
AoS will, I'm sure, develop that emotional attachment, if it continues to produce high quality products and good service.

 

[Jethro1984]

Nah Frosty...flame is just a word I like when people banter back and forth over foolishness or give each other a hard time on a forum. As I said, I love dissenting opinions and I'm questioning just how serious I was when I posed this thread, I guess I just wanted to get a good discussion going on something new.

 

[c0ry]

I'm not sure about creams, but I know that AOS manufacturers their soaps in house...

AOS's soaps are manufactured in Italy, by the company that makes Valobra.

AOS's creams are manufactured by Creightons, who manufactures the "Three T's" and Real Shaving Company cream.

 

[goby]

Gentlemen,

We presently say there are 3 T's (Geo F. Trumpers, Taylor of Old Bond Street, and Truefitt/Hill). I propose we should include a 4th. Although "the" can seem like a rather unimportant word, when it is part of the name "The Art of Shaving", it should be considered important. The creams seem popular enough here as to be batched in with the others mentioned. Even so, i'm sure I will get flamed for such a suggestion...so let's get on with it! What do you think?

Agree with everything said, plus, if there was going to be a fourth "T," it would be DR Harris.

 

[saf]

I think it should be Castle Forbes

 

[bladebuff]

+ D.R. Harris, + Castle Forbes, + Cyril R. Salter

While Art of Shaving is an excellent product and the cream is sourced in England I believe it comes from America in sense of development of the concept and marketing. I see it sort of as more of an American product than one from the UK.

 

[RF1963]

Gentlemen,

We presently say there are 3 T's, Geo F. Trumpers, Taylor of Old Bond Street, and Truefitt/Hill

+ D.R. Harris, + Castle Forbes, + Cyril R. Salter

So, The Big Six or Big Shaving (a la Big Tobacco et al).

 

[Sabre]

AOS's soaps are manufactured in Italy, by the company that makes Valobra.

AOS's creams are manufactured by Creightons, who manufactures the "Three T's" and Real Shaving Company cream.

The base cream is made by Creightons (or more precisely Potter & Moore), it is then played around with by Delbia Do.

 

[Sabre]

+ D.R. Harris, + Castle Forbes, + Cyril R. Salter

While Art of Shaving is an excellent product and the cream is sourced in England I believe it comes from America in sense of development of the concept and marketing. I see it sort of as more of an American product than one from the UK.

I personally see Cyril R. Salter in the same bracket as Edwin Jagger and Vulfix.
If including Castle Forbes, why leave out Penhaligon's, Czech & Speake and Floris?

 

[bladebuff]

I personally see Cyril R. Salter in the same bracket as Edwin Jagger and Vulfix.
If including Castle Forbes, why leave out Penhaligon's, Czech & Speake and Floris?

Quite right, I missed all of those, although I do suspect EJ and Muhle are one in the same but really don't know where it is produced. Pen's, C&S and Floris should definitely be included on the list. Maybe even The Body Shop?

The list keeps growing.

 

[The Last Chimney]

Art of Shaving
Bigelow
Czech and Speake
D.R. Harris
Edwin Jagger
Feather
Geo F. Trumpers
Haslinger
Institut Karite
Jack Black
Klar
Lord
Musgo Real
Nivea
Osage Rub
Penhaligon's
QED
RazorRock
Speick
T ??? (can't think of anything for this one)
Ultrashave?
Valobra
Williams
Xpec?
Yardley
Zorrik

 

[Go West Young Man]

AOS's soaps are manufactured in Italy, by the company that makes Valobra.

AOS's creams are manufactured by Creightons, who manufactures the "Three T's" and Real Shaving Company cream.

Actually, those companies supply SOME of the base materials for the AoS soaps/creams. There are other ingredients as well, and the whole shebang is mixed up according to secret formulas here in the US.

 

[Sabre]

The base cream is made by Creightons (or more precisely Potter & Moore), it is then played around with by Delbia Do.

Just what he said .