Come on this is a manly brawl of manly razors...what's next Pajama Boy or even worse.....Justin Bieber
*** WINNER***Grudge Match: OT Vs NEW
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Efficiency: NEW LC
Smoothness: NEW LC
Ease of the shave (grip, stroke and angle....): NEW LC
overall experience: NEW LC
I was having trouble with my SR for some reason. I used a GSB in each and Williams Tonsorial as my soap. This shave, the NEW just ran circles around the old type and I almost considered finishing with just the NEW.
Winner of round one has to go to the NEW.
I'm going to change up soap for the next shave and see how that plays into it.
Kindly,
Adam
Smoothness: NEW LC
Ease of the shave (grip, stroke and angle....): NEW LC
overall experience: NEW LC
I was having trouble with my SR for some reason. I used a GSB in each and Williams Tonsorial as my soap. This shave, the NEW just ran circles around the old type and I almost considered finishing with just the NEW.
Winner of round one has to go to the NEW.
I'm going to change up soap for the next shave and see how that plays into it.
Kindly,
Adam
Round 3
1918 Ball End OLD Left Astra SP
LC NEW Ball End Handle Right Astra SP
Head shave + beard line cleanup. This time against 2 days growth.
Efficiency: Got to go with the OLD, it really shined against the extra growth.
Smoothness: Draw Now that the Astras have a full shave on each, both razors felt silky smooth and no irritation on either side.
Ease of the shave: OLD It has a smaller head, so it gets into tight places.
Overall experience: OLD Both razors were great, but there is something a bout shaving with 100+ year old design, even if mine is only 99.
Winner of round Three: OLD easily takes the win. The NEW did try hard though, and if I would have used my bar handle short comb it would have been an even closer match. Mostly because of the handle, I chose the ball to make things more even.
1918 Ball End OLD Left Astra SP
LC NEW Ball End Handle Right Astra SP
Head shave + beard line cleanup. This time against 2 days growth.
Efficiency: Got to go with the OLD, it really shined against the extra growth.
Smoothness: Draw Now that the Astras have a full shave on each, both razors felt silky smooth and no irritation on either side.
Ease of the shave: OLD It has a smaller head, so it gets into tight places.
Overall experience: OLD Both razors were great, but there is something a bout shaving with 100+ year old design, even if mine is only 99.
Winner of round Three: OLD easily takes the win. The NEW did try hard though, and if I would have used my bar handle short comb it would have been an even closer match. Mostly because of the handle, I chose the ball to make things more even.
Thank you fine sir!!!! The brush feels even better!!Good man!!!
Love that brush!
Feb 4: Grudge Match: Old Type thick cap vs NEW SC
Lather: RazoRock Son of Zeus
Brush: Semogue Barbear Classico Cerda
Razor: Gillette Old Type "thick cap" (1921-29)
Second Razor: Gillette NEW Short Comb (with squared corner tabs)
Blade: Gillette 7 O'clock Permasharp Stainless [44]
Splash: Fine l'Orange Noir
Both razors used the same blade being swapped between razors. To even the playing field, both razors used a hollow ball-end handle that was available on both razors. My NEW SC actually came with the thin common bar handle (which I don't like) and my Old Type came without a handle so I normally use a fat Tech handle on mine.
Efficiency: Tied WTG and XTG, then the Old Type squeaks ahead on ATG
Smoothness: This surprised me. Tied on all 3 passes. The Old Type has slightly more blade feel - I thought the difference would be larger, but they're equally smooth.
Ease of Shave: Tied
Overall Experience: I was not expecting this ... I have to give the win to the Old Type. The NEW SC did not win one category! The Old Type is slightly more efficient, not very much though, and has a little more blade feel which I like. To use a car analogy, I like to feel the road.
Winner of Round 1: Old Type thick cap
Lather: RazoRock Son of Zeus
Brush: Semogue Barbear Classico Cerda
Razor: Gillette Old Type "thick cap" (1921-29)
Second Razor: Gillette NEW Short Comb (with squared corner tabs)
Blade: Gillette 7 O'clock Permasharp Stainless [44]
Splash: Fine l'Orange Noir
Both razors used the same blade being swapped between razors. To even the playing field, both razors used a hollow ball-end handle that was available on both razors. My NEW SC actually came with the thin common bar handle (which I don't like) and my Old Type came without a handle so I normally use a fat Tech handle on mine.
Efficiency: Tied WTG and XTG, then the Old Type squeaks ahead on ATG
Smoothness: This surprised me. Tied on all 3 passes. The Old Type has slightly more blade feel - I thought the difference would be larger, but they're equally smooth.
Ease of Shave: Tied
Overall Experience: I was not expecting this ... I have to give the win to the Old Type. The NEW SC did not win one category! The Old Type is slightly more efficient, not very much though, and has a little more blade feel which I like. To use a car analogy, I like to feel the road.
Winner of Round 1: Old Type thick cap
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Round #1
SCORE CARD:
Efficiency: Tie
Smoothness: Old Type
Ease of the shave (grip, stroke and angle....): Old Type
overall experience: Old Type
Winner of round (one): Old Type
Set-up
SR 1917
NEW (Regent set)
Fresh Feather blades
Semogue LE Foroafeitado 2016
Cella
Floid Blue
Absolutely amazed at how the NEW behaved. I used such a razor months ago but its English iteration... and I loved it, but found it not as efficient as a SR.
Both sides of my ugly mug feel nicely shaved and smooth... yet the right side (NEW) feels like some kind of something.... I really couldn't tell I shaved with two different razors, but the overall experience, the smoothnes, the ease of the shave is for the SR.
The SR cuts the mustard!
Let's see what happens next round....
Good luck tou you all, gentlemen!
NB Will try to post a photo....
SCORE CARD:
Efficiency: Tie
Smoothness: Old Type
Ease of the shave (grip, stroke and angle....): Old Type
overall experience: Old Type
Winner of round (one): Old Type
Set-up
SR 1917
NEW (Regent set)
Fresh Feather blades
Semogue LE Foroafeitado 2016
Cella
Floid Blue
Absolutely amazed at how the NEW behaved. I used such a razor months ago but its English iteration... and I loved it, but found it not as efficient as a SR.
Both sides of my ugly mug feel nicely shaved and smooth... yet the right side (NEW) feels like some kind of something.... I really couldn't tell I shaved with two different razors, but the overall experience, the smoothnes, the ease of the shave is for the SR.
The SR cuts the mustard!
Let's see what happens next round....
Good luck tou you all, gentlemen!
NB Will try to post a photo....
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Shave 4
Feather(2nd shave)
Left Side: Thick Cap OId Type
Right Side: Short Comb New
Handles: Ball-End Tech
Soap: Dapper Dragon Signature
Brush: Semogue 1250
Post: Lucky Tiger Face Tonic
AS/Balm: Nivea Cooling
In the past, the feather blade and the old has always had a better second shave than the first. Is this improvement enough for the Old Type to recover from Shave 3 and beat the SC New? Let us go to the scorecard and find out.
Efficiency: Even, the face feels the same on both sides, even my trouble areas are similar.
Smoothness: Feedback greatly improved with the second shave for the Old, however the New just barely edges out the Old in this area. Winner New
Ease: The feedback from the Old was dramatically improved over the first shave. This resulted in the Old slightly edging out the New here. Winner Old
Overall: A very hard round for me to pick, however I have to give the edge to the Old Type.
Before this grudge match I would have listed the new ahead of the thick cap old, in my personal listing of razors in order of preference. Now I have to give the edge to the Old type. I need to spend more time with my Single Ring, to see if I can dial in the thin cap old as well or better than the one I used in this Grudge Match...
Winner Round 4 - Old Type
Review:
Round 1 - Old
Round 2 - Old
Round 3 - New
Round 4 - Old
Thanks everyone, have great shaves!
Feather(2nd shave)
Left Side: Thick Cap OId Type
Right Side: Short Comb New
Handles: Ball-End Tech
Soap: Dapper Dragon Signature
Brush: Semogue 1250
Post: Lucky Tiger Face Tonic
AS/Balm: Nivea Cooling
In the past, the feather blade and the old has always had a better second shave than the first. Is this improvement enough for the Old Type to recover from Shave 3 and beat the SC New? Let us go to the scorecard and find out.
Efficiency: Even, the face feels the same on both sides, even my trouble areas are similar.
Smoothness: Feedback greatly improved with the second shave for the Old, however the New just barely edges out the Old in this area. Winner New
Ease: The feedback from the Old was dramatically improved over the first shave. This resulted in the Old slightly edging out the New here. Winner Old
Overall: A very hard round for me to pick, however I have to give the edge to the Old Type.
Before this grudge match I would have listed the new ahead of the thick cap old, in my personal listing of razors in order of preference. Now I have to give the edge to the Old type. I need to spend more time with my Single Ring, to see if I can dial in the thin cap old as well or better than the one I used in this Grudge Match...
Winner Round 4 - Old Type
Review:
Round 1 - Old
Round 2 - Old
Round 3 - New
Round 4 - Old
Thanks everyone, have great shaves!
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Standing so far:
Round 1
Old Type: 4
NEW: 6
Draw: 1
Round 2
Old Type: 5
NEW: 1
Draw
Round 3
Old Type: 1
NEW: 1
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Standing so far:
Round 1
Old Type: 4
NEW: 6
Draw: 1
Round 2
Old Type: 5
NEW: 1
Draw
Round 3
Old Type: 1
NEW: 1
Draw
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Just a reminder that the Official Grudge match is a rapid 3 Round event. Feel free to post your extra rounds and there results but these will be unofficial back ally street fights. While they are entertaining their results won't be used for the record books.
Round 1 - sorry I'm late to the party!
Some background: I was an Old Type fanboy for years, but switched over to NEWs after I started cold-water shaving a little over a year ago - mostly because I started cold showering. Recently, I've been having a dalliance with pre-war techs, which I find smoother than NEWs but less efficient (and much more dependent on blade sharpness).
The set-up:
Soap: MWF
Brush: RR Plissoft synthetic
Preparation: bloom water splashed on my face for 30 seconds
Lather technique: Palm lathered
Blades: Gillette Seven O'clock yellow - fresh blades in both
Razors: Ball-end handle Old Type (box brownie) v NEW
Aftershave: Thayer's Lavender Witch Hazel, followed by RR Tuscan Oud
Ball end handle comparison - Old Type, NEW by Matthew Wild, on Flickr
I believe this is a thin top cap Old Type, which if I'm correct, dates to the early 20s and is more aggressive than the later model. However, I find this a milder shave than the earlier single ring.
From the outset, I have to state that I used water straight from the cold faucet. (I decided to use progressively warmer water over later shaves to see what that does to my results, so this round might be a bit of an outlier.)
Efficiency: Old Type, on all three passes.
Smoothness: NEW, again on all passes.
Ease: Tied WTG and XTG, but the Old Type cut closer on ATG and required not touch-ups.
Overall experience: NEW, because it felt so much smoother at the time. Frankly, an Old Type in stone-cold water is not all that pleasant - I could feel the blade throughout, especially on ATG. But I did get a closer shave from it.
Winner: I'd have to say that, overall, the NEW takes this round, but it won on points. The Old Type gave me a slightly better shave, but felt horrible doing so - using cold water and with minimal preparation. As Rudyt says above: "The Old Type is slightly more efficient, not very much though, and has a little more blade feel. . ." I pick the NEW because I like shaving to be a calming, meditative experience.
Some background: I was an Old Type fanboy for years, but switched over to NEWs after I started cold-water shaving a little over a year ago - mostly because I started cold showering. Recently, I've been having a dalliance with pre-war techs, which I find smoother than NEWs but less efficient (and much more dependent on blade sharpness).
The set-up:
Soap: MWF
Brush: RR Plissoft synthetic
Preparation: bloom water splashed on my face for 30 seconds
Lather technique: Palm lathered
Blades: Gillette Seven O'clock yellow - fresh blades in both
Razors: Ball-end handle Old Type (box brownie) v NEW
Aftershave: Thayer's Lavender Witch Hazel, followed by RR Tuscan Oud
Ball end handle comparison - Old Type, NEW by Matthew Wild, on Flickr
I believe this is a thin top cap Old Type, which if I'm correct, dates to the early 20s and is more aggressive than the later model. However, I find this a milder shave than the earlier single ring.
From the outset, I have to state that I used water straight from the cold faucet. (I decided to use progressively warmer water over later shaves to see what that does to my results, so this round might be a bit of an outlier.)
Efficiency: Old Type, on all three passes.
Smoothness: NEW, again on all passes.
Ease: Tied WTG and XTG, but the Old Type cut closer on ATG and required not touch-ups.
Overall experience: NEW, because it felt so much smoother at the time. Frankly, an Old Type in stone-cold water is not all that pleasant - I could feel the blade throughout, especially on ATG. But I did get a closer shave from it.
Winner: I'd have to say that, overall, the NEW takes this round, but it won on points. The Old Type gave me a slightly better shave, but felt horrible doing so - using cold water and with minimal preparation. As Rudyt says above: "The Old Type is slightly more efficient, not very much though, and has a little more blade feel. . ." I pick the NEW because I like shaving to be a calming, meditative experience.
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Just a reminder that the Official Grudge match is a rapid 3 Round event. Feel free to post your extra rounds and there results but these will be unofficial back ally street fights. While they are entertaining their results won't be used for the record books.
Yes, sir!
​One of my all time favorites is the New Improved Tuckaway, but it is interesting to compare the ones on each side of that in history.
Round #1
Lather: Mitchell's Wool Fat
Brush: Omega boar
Razor Left: Gillette Old Type
Razor Right: Gillette NEW Long Comb
Blade: Gillette Silver Blue (first shave)
AS: Captain's Choice Bay Rum
Efficiency: first pass with WTG seemed to go to the new, but when lathering for the second pass I saw one tiny weeper. Second pass totally went to the Old Type
Smoothness: both were about the same, but on the second pass with the New I got a little razor burn by the side of my mouth. So this also goes to the Old Type
Ease of Shave: Old Type I had less issues shaving up close to my Handlebar mustache at the sides of my mouth. The hair grows pretty thick there, and can give me a some trouble.
Overall Experience: I was actually surprised at the outcome. now an hour after the shave I think the Old Type side feels a little better, even though both are about as smooth. Initially I had issues with the old type razors and have bought and let several go, then it finally clicked for me so I keep one with the ball end handle. The NEWs I liked so much, i got both an LC and a SC re-plated and consider them a forever keeper. I may need to find an OT that is in the right condition to get restored and have a permanent spot in my collection. However; I think if I do that, I will be looking for single ring, rather than the ball end.
Winner of Round 1: Old Type
Round #1
Lather: Mitchell's Wool Fat
Brush: Omega boar
Razor Left: Gillette Old Type
Razor Right: Gillette NEW Long Comb
Blade: Gillette Silver Blue (first shave)
AS: Captain's Choice Bay Rum
Efficiency: first pass with WTG seemed to go to the new, but when lathering for the second pass I saw one tiny weeper. Second pass totally went to the Old Type
Smoothness: both were about the same, but on the second pass with the New I got a little razor burn by the side of my mouth. So this also goes to the Old Type
Ease of Shave: Old Type I had less issues shaving up close to my Handlebar mustache at the sides of my mouth. The hair grows pretty thick there, and can give me a some trouble.
Overall Experience: I was actually surprised at the outcome. now an hour after the shave I think the Old Type side feels a little better, even though both are about as smooth. Initially I had issues with the old type razors and have bought and let several go, then it finally clicked for me so I keep one with the ball end handle. The NEWs I liked so much, i got both an LC and a SC re-plated and consider them a forever keeper. I may need to find an OT that is in the right condition to get restored and have a permanent spot in my collection. However; I think if I do that, I will be looking for single ring, rather than the ball end.
Winner of Round 1: Old Type
[MENTION=104468]tylehman[/MENTION]
YMMV and all that, but I could have written that about the OTs!
YMMV and all that, but I could have written that about the OTs!
Round Three:
Old Type with two piece handle
New Type short comb
Razorock P160 soap
Lord Platinum blades. I used one marked (O,N) blade and switched between razors.
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Efficiency: Tie between the Old Type and New Type
Smoothness: Old Type was a little smoother
Ease of the shave (grip, stroke and angle....):Old Type due to its thinner profile.
Overall experience: Old Type provided a better experience overall
Winner of round Three: The Old Type [/FONT]
Old Type with two piece handle
New Type short comb
Razorock P160 soap
Lord Platinum blades. I used one marked (O,N) blade and switched between razors.
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Efficiency: Tie between the Old Type and New Type
Smoothness: Old Type was a little smoother
Ease of the shave (grip, stroke and angle....):Old Type due to its thinner profile.
Overall experience: Old Type provided a better experience overall
Winner of round Three: The Old Type [/FONT]
[MENTION=104468]tylehman[/MENTION]
Sailing with the Captain! Nice.
Sailing with the Captain! Nice.
[MENTION=46737]Useless shaver[/MENTION] and [MENTION=105180]muiriddin[/MENTION], your latest posts are unreadable to the many people on mobile who use a dark theme.
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