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Speick, Cella, Palmolive - drying out on me. TOBS too foamy

So I'm currently in a phase of buying and testing soaps/creams because I have trouble keeping them wet on my face. I shave slowly, it takes a few minutes for a single pass, I have troubles with irritation and bumps. I palm lather, adding water very slowly. Bowl lathering doesn't work for me, I can't beat out all the bubbles and I love dense, shiny, thick lather that's veeery hydrated, sometimes I add water until it starts dripping down the brush. It's my ideal lather, very slick but gives a little "cushion" effect.

Speick and Palmolive - lathers how I love it, keeps absorbing water while staying dense and shiny. But it dries out! A minute or two after applying, the edges of where the lather is applied on the face are no longer shiny and start to get flaky, like it's been sitting there for half an hour. Do you experience this as well? Proraso pre-shave cream and TOBS oil do not help much.

Cella - I guess this one is similar to Arko? In a sense of being an old-school type of lather. Not particulary dense and shiny but more foamy and light. Is that how it's supposed to be?

TOBS tobacco leaf - I can't get this thing to lather, is it similar to Arko and Cella and does it prefer to stay foamy? Or can you get it dense and shiny?

My favourites are Stirling and Proraso. Saponificio Varesino and Tabac are very good as well. But I'm reacting to something in those soaps and if the shaves takes too long they sting. MWF stings after a while as well but holy moly is that one slick and does not want to rinse out. I'll be trying Stirling Unscented beeswax and Haslinger next.
 
Speick works fantastically for me. Load more onto your face (I am assuming the stick), and as you scrub it in, keep adding water to the tips of your brush. It holds a lot of water.
 
Speick works fantastically for me. Load more onto your face (I am assuming the stick), and as you scrub it in, keep adding water to the tips of your brush. It holds a lot of water.
It does hold a lot, which I love. But Stirling or SV stays wet on the face without drying.

I'm using the cream, the Stick is still sealed. I tried using twice as much as I normally do. Twice as much lather but drying just the same.
 
I also like a more wet, slick lather and enjoy Stirling soap. Recently I’ve been trying the unscented beeswax and would say it’s noticeably more slick without drying for me.
 
So I'm currently in a phase of buying and testing soaps/creams because I have trouble keeping them wet on my face. I shave slowly, it takes a few minutes for a single pass, I have troubles with irritation and bumps. I palm lather, adding water very slowly. Bowl lathering doesn't work for me, I can't beat out all the bubbles and I love dense, shiny, thick lather that's veeery hydrated, sometimes I add water until it starts dripping down the brush. It's my ideal lather, very slick but gives a little "cushion" effect.

Speick and Palmolive - lathers how I love it, keeps absorbing water while staying dense and shiny. But it dries out! A minute or two after applying, the edges of where the lather is applied on the face are no longer shiny and start to get flaky, like it's been sitting there for half an hour. Do you experience this as well? Proraso pre-shave cream and TOBS oil do not help much.

Cella - I guess this one is similar to Arko? In a sense of being an old-school type of lather. Not particulary dense and shiny but more foamy and light. Is that how it's supposed to be?

TOBS tobacco leaf - I can't get this thing to lather, is it similar to Arko and Cella and does it prefer to stay foamy? Or can you get it dense and shiny?

My favourites are Stirling and Proraso. Saponificio Varesino and Tabac are very good as well. But I'm reacting to something in those soaps and if the shaves takes too long they sting. MWF stings after a while as well but holy moly is that one slick and does not want to rinse out. I'll be trying Stirling Unscented beeswax and Haslinger next.


Sir TheBeast, thanks for sharing your experiences!
For me, those shave soaps (Speick, Palmolive, TOBS, Cella) all perform great; each is a "classic".
I'll encounter drying on many soaps/creams, and I solve simply by brushing on a little water with the brush.
The lather re-hydrates and continues to shave well.
But, YMMV, and I understand!

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An old trick for slow shaving is to only lather one part of the face at a time. You can keep the brush and lather warm in a scuttle with hot water in the chamber. If the later starts to dry in the scuttle you add tiny amounts of water and mix it up. Very easy.

Many soaps and creams are not meant to left on the face for a long time.

Not medical advice but usually, IME, if a cream or soap is going to cause a skin reaction the tingle starts almost immediately, before any shaving is involved. When that happens (rarely over the years across ~50 different products) with a product I immediately wash it off and use something else. If the reaction was bad then I skip shaving for the day.

No offense but some of what you are describing sounds like user error or potentially a hard water issue. Shaving very slowly will make things more difficult as well. I ran into that problem during my ill-fated dalliance with straight razors.

However, it also sounds like some products may not be compatible with your skin or the way you like to lather and shave. Nothing to do about that but use other products.
 
An old trick for slow shaving is to only lather one part of the face at a time. You can keep the brush and lather warm in a scuttle with hot water in the chamber. If the later starts to dry in the scuttle you add tiny amounts of water and mix it up. Very easy.

Many soaps and creams are not meant to left on the face for a long time.

Not medical advice but usually, IME, if a cream or soap is going to cause a skin reaction the tingle starts almost immediately, before any shaving is involved. When that happens (rarely over the years across ~50 different products) with a product I immediately wash it off and use something else. If the reaction was bad then I skip shaving for the day.

No offense but some of what you are describing sounds like user error or potentially a hard water issue. Shaving very slowly will make things more difficult as well. I ran into that problem during my ill-fated dalliance with straight razors.

However, it also sounds like some products may not be compatible with your skin or the way you like to lather and shave. Nothing to do about that but use other products.
Good points. I also suspect that my skin gets really dry after a warm shower, before applying a cream. So it soaks up moisture from the lather.

Leaving the bathroom steamy and using Proraso red helped. I don't know if it's the shea butter or the sandalwood oil that helps. But the soap didn't dry and the shave was great.

And I am using a straight razor, but I'm not particulary efficient in using one. If I rush it, it's not a good shave. If I get everything spot on, it's close to perfect. Its the consistency that I lack, and a bit of confidence and tempo. But safety razors will still leave me with bumps 95% of the time.

The water is definitelly hard.
 
Good points. I also suspect that my skin gets really dry after a warm shower, before applying a cream. So it soaks up moisture from the lather.

Leaving the bathroom steamy and using Proraso red helped. I don't know if it's the shea butter or the sandalwood oil that helps. But the soap didn't dry and the shave was great.

And I am using a straight razor, but I'm not particulary efficient in using one. If I rush it, it's not a good shave. If I get everything spot on, it's close to perfect. Its the consistency that I lack, and a bit of confidence and tempo. But safety razors will still leave me with bumps 95% of the time.

The water is definitelly hard.

I doubt the PR contains anything more than very miniscule amounts of those components.

If a particular product works better for you though, no reason to hassle with products that are difficult to use.

Lots of variables with straights, moreso than with common DE razors and blades.

Hard water may make lathering certain soaps and creams more difficult.
 
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So I'm currently in a phase of buying and testing soaps/creams because I have trouble keeping them wet on my face. I shave slowly, it takes a few minutes for a single pass, I have troubles with irritation and bumps. I palm lather, adding water very slowly. Bowl lathering doesn't work for me, I can't beat out all the bubbles and I love dense, shiny, thick lather that's veeery hydrated, sometimes I add water until it starts dripping down the brush. It's my ideal lather, very slick but gives a little "cushion" effect.

Speick and Palmolive - lathers how I love it, keeps absorbing water while staying dense and shiny. But it dries out! A minute or two after applying, the edges of where the lather is applied on the face are no longer shiny and start to get flaky, like it's been sitting there for half an hour. Do you experience this as well? Proraso pre-shave cream and TOBS oil do not help much.

Cella - I guess this one is similar to Arko? In a sense of being an old-school type of lather. Not particulary dense and shiny but more foamy and light. Is that how it's supposed to be?

TOBS tobacco leaf - I can't get this thing to lather, is it similar to Arko and Cella and does it prefer to stay foamy? Or can you get it dense and shiny?

My favourites are Stirling and Proraso. Saponificio Varesino and Tabac are very good as well. But I'm reacting to something in those soaps and if the shaves takes too long they sting. MWF stings after a while as well but holy moly is that one slick and does not want to rinse out. I'll be trying Stirling Unscented beeswax and Haslinger next.
Try Jack Black Beard Lube and Jack Black Supreme Cream alone or Beard Lube under. They have high oil content so water is not a major component of how they work. Having used virtually everything in over 40 years of shaving, nothing can compare to these products. Cremo is also very good. The traditional stuff is obsolete.

Since you are using a straight razor, seeing what you are shaving is important so that’s why you might like the JB products. They are made to be used skinny.
 
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Try a good pre shave lotion or soap. I use either Proraso pre shave lotion or Razor Emporium pre shave soap and they make a big difference by keeping shave soap from drying out on my face. As always, YMMV.
 
Speick cream and soap work well for me. I face lather with them. If your lather is drying out, maybe do one section at a time. Use the brush as a kind of lather reservoir. Lather can be rejuvenated by adding small amounts of water using the brush.

Cella lather should be slick and glossy, not fluffy. It's been around for ages, so it's a proven product. The usual problem is some people are sensitive to the fragrance.
 
I find Cella to have less cushion than Arko, but still Govea me a pretty good shave. Man does it whip up an awesome lather in a bowl. Arko puck soap fits perfect in my Old Spice mug and makes a good lather too, with a tad more cushion.
 
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