Is the ATT "M" plate more aggressive than the Weber polished head razor?

[Cornishman]

Hi All,
There's probably a thread on this somewhere but I can't find it.
I like my Weber a lot, but occasionally I would like something a tiny bit more aggressive.
Would the ATT "M" plate fit the bill?
Anyone with both razors?
I think the "R" and "H" plates would be too aggressive.

 

[tomharr51]

I have both razors and I personally found the ATT M base plate to be very mild. IMHO I think the Weber is a bit more aggressive, however YMMV.

 

[rand77]

I had both at one point, Weber DLC and ATT Atlas M1. The M plate is not that mild, but more of a moderate shaver. For me, I would say its a bit more aggressive than a Weber, its like putting 1 shim into the razor. The geometry of each razor is very different and they both feel and shave quite differently. Any ATT M-1 razor will provide a ton of audible feedback much more so than the Weber. The Weber felt like a stainless steel version of the EJ DE89.

I like Merkur Slant/Tradere SB for a more aggressive shave, but without the feel of aggression or danger.

 

[wagstaff]

I have both -- and find the ATT Titan with the M1 baseplate clearly more aggressive than the Webers.

 

[Z blade]

If the M (mild) plate is more aggressive than a Weber, then the Weber must be nearly as mild as a Feather AS D1.

 

[Battou62]

I would put the Weber one small notch above an EJ in terms of aggressiveness.

 

[garyg]

I've used both, the Atlas M1 is just a bit more aggressive than the Weber Wave at my house on my beard.

 

[wagstaff]

If the M (mild) plate is more aggressive than a Weber, then the Weber must be nearly as mild as a Feather AS D1.

I've never used a Feather razor. At least it seems to me that the Weber is more aggressive than an EJ DE89, which is in turn more aggressive than my 60s flare-tip SuperSpeed, again more than my triangle-slot Tech.

The ATT Titan w M1 plate is a bigger jump, it seems to me, than between these others, and seems easily more aggressive than any of them. I don't have the R1; but the H1 plate is right there with the most aggressive DEs I've tried, maybe just about even with the 2011 version of the R41.

 

[jasonb8736]

Hi All,
There's probably a thread on this somewhere but I can't find it.
I like my Weber a lot, but occasionally I would like something a tiny bit more aggressive.
Would the ATT "M" plate fit the bill?
Anyone with both razors?
I think the "R" and "H" plates would be too aggressive.

I have the ATT Titan "R" and I was surprised at how aggressive it is. I expected it to be a bit tamer based on my initial research.

 

[rand77]

I have the ATT Titan "R" and I was surprised at how aggressive it is. I expected it to be a bit tamer based on my initial research.

I'm surprised how aggressive it was as well. It's aggressive enough to "bite" if not careful, and I definitely got irritation from it a few times. It does shave great with good technique, but I had to give it the same level of care as my Muhle R41 (2013).

 

[Cornishman]

Sorry Brothers, but I'm still a bit confused!
Reading the replies, some think the ATT "M" plate is less aggressive than the Weber, some think it's a bit more aggressive, others think it's a lot more aggressive!

 

[rand77]

Sorry Brothers, but I'm still a bit confused!
Reading the replies, some think the ATT "M" plate is less aggressive than the Weber, some think it's a bit more aggressive, others think it's a lot more aggressive!

As the saying goes YYMV, everyone including myself perceives this type of thing differently. Both razors are firmly in the "mild but effective" category of DE razors. I can shave with both without much concentration without worry of irritation or cuts. That's something I can't say for the R-plate, Muhle R41, Tradere OC, or any Gillette Adjustable on a higher setting. I suggest you look at looks, build quality and price. The ATT (machined stainless steel) is a masterpiece and the build quality over the Weber (cast stainless) is clearly evident. However the Weber is cheaper and a better value.

 

[joe2]

for me the m1 is definitely more aggressive

 

[CanuckShaver]

for me the m1 is definitely more aggressive

+1. I have the same experience, it's a little more aggressive.

 

[jasonb8736]

I'm surprised how aggressive it was as well. It's aggressive enough to "bite" if not careful, and I definitely got irritation from it a few times. It does shave great with good technique, but I had to give it the same level of care as my Muhle R41 (2013).

I use my adjustables at the more aggressive settings on a regular basis (I use my Mergress on "4" during my last pass) and I still find the ATT Titan R1 plate to be more aggressive. Could be my technique, I suppose. I love the razor, though so I may order the M1 plate so I can use it more often.

 

[chris.hale]

I'd be interested to know if there's anywhere within Europe that's stocking the ATT M?

 

[Cornishman]

I'd be interested to know if there's anywhere within Europe that's stocking the ATT M?

+1

 

[XP100]

Here's the thing,what one persons idea of aggression is compared to another.

I owned two Weber PH razors, one Bulldog handle and one Wave handle.
I've used several different brands of blades trying to dial the Weber PH in.
I own an ATT, swapped my M1 for an R1, have both the Titan/Kronos long handle and the Atlas short barber-pole.
The ATT with an M1 baseplate has a blade gap of .010"/ .25mm but the cutting edge of DE blades sticks out over and past the safety bar.
Shaving with the M1, with the blade edge held at proper angle to shave, left a ton of razor stubble behind despite multiple passes and buffing, it's just too mild for me but...
Here's the kicker; change the ATT blade edge-to-skin angle ever so slightly using the M1 baseplate and with the blade edge protruding outward it WILL dig into your flesh, making it more aggressive!
That makes the ATT M1 'more aggressive' than the Weber PH, yet at the same time it results in 'milder' shaves than the Weber PH because the blade gap is slightly tighter on the M1 but the blade edge exposed is far greater than the Weber.
Add to this the Weber razors are hit or miss, quality control is seriously lacking, Weber has poor tolerances between the base-plate rails and under the top cap edges of their heads that can and do ripple thin blades to the point of making the blades themselves aggressively nasty, compared to the exacting tolerances of an ATT razor and some Weber razors can downright chew you up due to thin blades becoming wavy when the razor is put together. The ATT is aerospace-flat accurately machined between top cap and whatever base-plate you choose to use, you'll never see a wavy blade edge no matter how thin the blade used in any ATT razor! That's not so with a Weber unless you got really. really lucky and got one without this shortcoming and that's a bit rare.
Also take into account we all shave a bit differently, the pressure you use may not be the same as mine. I don't like Astra SP blades yet others love them. The term YMMV applies too but doesn't change the science and the science says hold the M1 at the wrong angle and the blade can eat your face, yet held right it's extremely mild to the point of needing another shave after shaving sometimes, at least that's my take.

 

[MrAstro]

Weber has poor tolerances between the base-plate rails and under the top cap edges of their heads that can and do ripple thin blades to the point of making the blades themselves aggressively nasty, compared to the exacting tolerances of an ATT razor and some Weber razors can downright chew you up due to thin blades becoming wavy when the razor is put together.

The only waviness in the blade on a Weber I've experienced was cured by scraping the wax spots off the Astra SP blade I was using. Since I've been doing that the razor blade in the Weber is perfect. So some people might have an issue and incorrectly blame the Weber when in fact their razor blades aren't flat.

Unless you own multiple Webers it's very hard to understand how you can know that they have poor QC issues. Another little test is to put the rails of the weber on a piece of flat Granite or Glass and see if there is a gap under the rails at any point with a strong light. No problems with mine at any rate.

 

[Mike Mlodzik]

Mine is also perfect.