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injector SE vs Regular schick\gem

hi fellow wetshavers,
im a de razor user and have wanted to try a SE razor but I'm clueless in this matter. now i seen the nice supply&co Injector razor and heard good things about it. but i want to know what the differences pros and cons and which are the best in smooth and efficient razors. i have heard that Se Blades are thicker than DE blades and last longer. also what are tge difderences between shick, gem, razorock echo\hawk , supply and co? ty gents!

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If you want to try some gem razors contact @Joshua223 as per this passaround thread here.

You'll get full gamut of mild to wild with those 3 Gem Micromatic razors.

For injectors, the earliest version of the I2 Hydro-magic would be a good starter razor.

Here is what an earlier version of the I2 looks like.
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Here is a later version.
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See the difference in the lever, the earlier versions have a shorter lever with no writing on them.
The earlier versions are also aggressive but smooth the later versions are less smooth and the same or a little bit more aggressive.

I have an extra earlier model I2 I would part with if you are interested.

If you decide to go for the later model there is an I1 and J1 that are the same shavers. The reason to consider these over the later model I2 is they can take single edge or Schick II Twin injector blades. The hydro-magics can only use single edge injector blades.
They look like this
I1
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J1
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The key to getting the correct razors for these is the razor heads need to be stamped Eversharp Schick. If they are stamped Schick Safety Razor or Schick they are a completely different shaver and much milder and nowhere near as efficient of shavers as these 2 are. The preference in this case would be the style of handle you prefer.

Other injectors to consider if you don't mind using a ladies razor is the type K Lady Eversharp, particularly the K3 model or any of the Type M adjustables which are aggressive but smooth on the higher dial settings. A Type G injector would also be another to consider. They are totally unremarkable razors that just get the job done with no fanfare what so ever.

Here is the reference most collectors use for injectors.

For modern stuff I haven't used any of the razors so I can't say which would meet your criteria.
 
There is also a little bit of a learning curve when going from de to se or injectors. First is the angle, se and injector razors require you to use a very shallow angle that is almost riding the cap the way they are designed. Second is pressure since they are thicker and stiffer blades the amount of pressure you use is different from a de razor. Third is feel of the blade since they are stiffer and thicker until you get used to feel of the blade they may cause irritation especially if try to shave them like a de razor. With a little practice you'll figure out the angle/pressure and adjust to the feel of these blades just don't expect your first few shaves to be as good as you would expect due to unlearning any bad habits you may have picked up while de shaving and acclimating to the new style of razor and blade.

With practice you should find when you go back to using a de razor that your shaves will improve as you become more skilled with either se or injector razors.
 
I quite like my Supply injector, but I don't think it's the best injector, the easiest to use or the cheapest. If you like a relatively aggressive DE, a vintage Schick Type G might be a better starting point in SEs. It's cheap and pretty easy to find, very efficient, but not hard to use or excessively aggressive. Another possibility is a razor using the Feather Artist Club style of blade. The Razorock Hawk is a good, cheap option, In fact it's just a very goof razor at any price point.
 
Only thing I can add with modern injectors AC (artist club) injector blades and Schick style injector blades are not the same. The vintage injectors all use schick style injector blades. They differ in length and are not compatible with each type of razor except in the case of razors that use Schick style injector blades if you want to cut the AC blade to the same length.
 
If you want a Schick injector that covers the gamete of Schick injector evolution of razors I would zero in the Schick adjustable. It should cover most of your desire for closeness and comfort and it will accept the injector twin II blade also. My Schick adjustable Model 3(M3) is well built and feels beefy to some of my other Schick razors and gives a decent shave IMO. If you keep your eyes open you can get one for around $25-$50 US used. I have a E2-3-5 & G1 injectors and also excellent affordable razors as already mentioned. Schick injectors are hard to beat for performance if you want vintage razors. Schick injectors are easy to learn and are close to a cartridge razor for handling IMO. For modern injectors I do not have any yet. If cost is a important factor Gem razors are one of the best to get into SE and there is a little learning curve on technique and you can shave cheaper per blade costs. Gems razors are some of my favorites once I learned how to shave with them, it takes 2 to 3 attempts for some to get the basics figured out.
Here is a chart that might help in picking out your aggression and efficiency for Gem razors IMO.
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Have some great shaves!
 
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They are all good, though the older Shick and Gem razors tend to be more aggressive. I prefer milder shavers and I find later Shicks to be both mild and efficient.
 
They are all good, though the older Shick and Gem razors tend to be more aggressive. I prefer milder shavers and I find later Shicks to be both mild and efficient.
Sorry to interject here. Found this thread as I was looking for some info on what would be a good injector to start with. I'm a mild razor user, like the Rockwell on 2 or 3. So newer injectors would definitely be my thing.

What models are we referring to? From what I can tell they go up to O? I was looking at some Ms and Ns on the bay... Do those fit the description of 'mild'?

Thanks.
 
Sorry to interject here. Found this thread as I was looking for some info on what would be a good injector to start with. I'm a mild razor user, like the Rockwell on 2 or 3. So newer injectors would definitely be my thing.

What models are we referring to? From what I can tell they go up to O? I was looking at some Ms and Ns on the bay... Do those fit the description of 'mild'?

Thanks.
Yes.

The clones out there are also generally pretty good for the price, most are based off the type L or M.

The L,M & N are mild, but they are also efficient. You should be able to get a decent shave in one pass with maybe some touch ups.
 
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Lots of good information already but I'll add a few comments.

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Some time ago I wrote what amounts to an ode to the Schick E-2. Here's a link to that post.


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I've not used every Schick but the ones I've used have been great shavers. My favorites are the E-2 and the L-3. The L-3 takes the TWIN blade + the L-3 has an amazingly great handle but I still like the E-2 the most of my safety razors.


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The blades which fit in AC razors were made, I believe, for use in barber razors; in other words they fit razors which look like straight razors but have replaceable blades.


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A number of AC safety razors are available. I have the V1 SS General and both the ATT SS AC razors as well as this SS DLC Hawk. The Hawk is surprisingly good, but all of them are good.

The AC blade is just like an injector blade but longer. In fact, an AC blade can be cut to fit the injector. Proline makes both an injector blade and an AC blade; they're the same except for length.

As a general rule I prefer both the injector platform and the AC platform safety razors over the DE razors, but that's not knocking anything or anyone's preference. What works for your skin and whiskers is all that's important to you, right?

I have a bunch of GEM & ER razors but never really took to them. To be fair, I didn't give 'em much of a chance. I'm pretty sure they are good shavers used properly.

Hope that helps a little.

Happy shaves,

Jim
 
Yes.

The clones out there are also generally pretty good for the price, most are based off the type L or M.

The L,M & N are mild, but they are also efficient. You should be able to get a decent shave in one pass with maybe some touch ups.
Awesome, thanks. I have seen all sorts in the m series .. a 16, a 27, and so on. Also a few L and Ns (both I only see numbered 1).

What clones are your reference to? Thanks.
 

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One of these is a Schick Type O. The other is the ebarbershop Type O clone. Other than Schick brand identification they're identical. Most guys think maybe they were made on the same machines and such. Both can take the TWIN blade.

Happy shaves,

Jim
 

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I've used the Type O with an unknown but not TWIN blade and the ebarbershop Type O clone with the TWIN. Both are efficient razors according to me. Smooth and efficient.

Awesome.

I see in @FireDragon76 post the L, M, and N are listed. Is the O also mild but efficient, or is it less efficient than the others?

Thanks again.
Generally the opinion is that later models of Schick razors tend to be milder. I'm not entirely sure I understand what everyone means by mild and some other terms. I don't find any of the Schick razors I've used to be aggressive as in prone to bite me nor do I find any of them to be inefficient.

Are any of these the type of razor which will give me a BBS on one pass? No.

I also have the various Type M Schicks (adjustables) and like them, too.

Again, I don't have all the Schicks and I'm no expert on them.

Happy shaves,

Jim
 
Awesome, thanks. I have seen all sorts in the m series .. a 16, a 27, and so on. Also a few L and Ns (both I only see numbered 1).

What clones are your reference to? Thanks.
The type sold by eBarbershop, for instance. The latest one looks like an M or N. You can find these all the time on eBay.
 
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Hope this helps you as a quick reference. If you want one that is mild I would buy a L or M type and something a little more aggressive a E,G and a M for being cost effective to try. The Schick M adjustable injector type would give you a wide range of blade aggression & efficiency's and very well built IMO with the option of using the Schick Twin II blade if desired. As a rule of thumb for Schick injectors the earlier models are more aggressive than the later models.
 
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Hope this helps you as a quick reference. If you want one that is mild I would buy a L or M type and something a little more aggressive a E,G and a M for being cost effective to try. The Schick M adjustable injector type would give you a wide range of blade aggression & efficiency's and very well built IMO with the option of using the Schick Twin II blade if desired. As a rule of thumb for Schick injectors the earlier models are more aggressive than the later models.
Wow awesome.

Thanks everyone, lots of good info here.
 
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