Some "men" just wear what Mother (wife) buys them. Hence fashion war crimes.
+1!! Yes indeed!!
Some "men" just wear what Mother (wife) buys them. Hence fashion war crimes.
Then, again, you could always have your shirts made with button-down collars and french cuffs to give yourself a more formal look.
Most CEOs are big dorks, don't take fashion advice from them. It's not a big faux pas for no reason, it's because it looks sloppy
This is what I learned. Wearing button down collared shirts can be seen as a signal that you are a true, east coast, blue-blooded preppy. When I was just starting out in my career, an older friend, who was a CFO, advised me to be careful about this look. He said that you don’t want to wear a button down collar with a suit and tie in front of your boss if he started out in the mail room.
Hmm. Somehow, even though I started this thread, I have not been getting alerts of postings in it. So I fell behind. Sorry.
First of all
French cuffs with a button down collar are a horrifying image to me!
I think my points have been essentially made. Some folks feel strongly that a button down collar shirt should never be worn with a suit. I do not know about a distinction between Oxford and other types of cloth. I suspect, but have no way of knowing, that many of the button down collar shirts one sees on prominent persons wearing suits are of Oxford cloth. I personally would opine that OCBDs with a suit are fine. (I might argue that a button down collar shirt really should be Oxford cloth, and not, say, broad cloth/end-on-end, but I am less certain on this.)
I do agree that a button down collar shirt with a suit is more a US thing. I highly suspect it started in the Northeast and as a prep/Ivy League thing. But I do think it has been well accepted top corporate and legal circles, at least, on an unchanging basis for a long time. The fact that Sinatra took this route indicates to me that this is not and has not been limited to those circles.
I am not talking about what is "fashionable." I am talking about what is accepted, commonplace, generally appropriate. If prominent folks are dressing this way, and to me it is indubitable that they are and have been for a long time, to me that by itself shows that this style is accepted, commonplace, generally appropriate.
There is a big ring of truth to this to me. But I truly doubt that Bill Barr or Mueller are trying to send that signal. I think both are sending the signal of I am or I was a high government official and I dress this way because I have been around high government officials for a long career and i am dressing the way such folks do.
By the way, I hardly ever wear a button down collar shirt with a tie. I wear a tie to work every day and I almost always wear a straight collar shirt. I personally do not like the way a button down collar looks with a tie as much as I like a straight collar with a tie!
You and me both, brother.This is all confusing to me. I always thought a button down shirt was a shirt with buttons that you could fasten the collar to. A button up was any shirt that buttoned up the front. But a button down shirt specifically had buttons that allowed you to...button down the collar. Thus my understanding is that you should wear a button down with suits. And if you’re going to wear a button up with a suit you don’t wear a tie. Or you just don’t wear it with a suit but rather a sport jacket and pants.
But IDK now!
Look at the way Prince Charles dresses. He wears mostly double breasted jackets. You still can find them here in the USA but they are becoming increasingly more difficult to come by. I think it’s a very dressy look though.I miss double breasted suits...
Yes, I see them a little in second hand stores, I should buy the next one I like, as you know it will be "the next big thing" lol. I always got compliments when I wore one, but to be honest, that was 30 years ago!Look at the way Prince Charles dresses. He wears mostly double breasted jackets. You still can find them here in the USA but they are becoming increasingly more difficult to come by. I think it’s a very dressy look though.
Definitely not slimming. I should have mentioned that it was 30 years AND 30 lbs ago as well!I'll throw out another small point. I think OCBD shirts are the best ones if one is going to go for the unbuttoned top button with loosened tie, no jacket, and rolled-up sleeve getting down to work look. Which is also sort of a preppy going out after work, pounding down some beers look!
I like the look of a well-tailored DB look when one is standing up. I think they are hard to deal with sitting down. Also not a slimming look.
Button up looks sharper and is more dressy.
Mueller doesn't care much about his attire: black suit and white shirt every-single-time ...
But that's what we want from people doing his job(s).
I am not talking about what is "fashionable." I am talking about what is accepted, commonplace, generally appropriate. If prominent folks are dressing this way, and to me it is indubitable that they are and have been for a long time, to me that by itself shows that this style is accepted, commonplace, generally appropriate.
People wear sweatpants in public, "commonplace" and "generally appropriate" are polar opposites most of the time. It sounds like you've already decided you don't care what people think so why did you ask?
People wear sweatpants in public, "commonplace" and "generally appropriate" are polar opposites most of the time. It sounds like you've already decided you don't care what people think so why did you ask?