Vary good insight.I would NEVER hire someone because of their resume.
The resume only gets them through the door for the interview.
How they carry themselves, speak, look, listen and react to questions asked is what decides if they get an offer.
And looks are a big part of it.
I know that they know that they want a job. I know that they have had time to prepare for the interview, which should include even a rudimentary check of what type of company they are applying for.
They SHOULD know that we aren't a Silicon Valley think tank with bean bag chairs and chaise lounges instead of an engineering firm with desks and drafting tables.
If they are as ill prepared for the interview as to show up looking scruffy, or dressed inappropriately, or stumbling and fumbling in their answers and demeanor, then there are plenty of other fish in the ocean.
Has a 3 day growth become fashionable? mini rant
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Vary good insight.
Excellent point.....
As for the interview thing, don't think I have ever gone to any interview with anything like stubble on my face.
just not the done thing y'know?
Even back in the days of dating (been together with my other half now for nearly 20 years now), would never think about going on a date looking like I'd just not bothered and covered in stubble... Think it creates a poor impression, IMO.
I get that styles come and go, but in certain context there's kind of social expectations...
For example, would you ever think it's okay for a potential suitor for your daughter to turn up wearing finely made clothes, polished shoes and well groomed hair... Only to have a rough stubbly visage? The phrase falling at the last hurdle would spring to mind...
just not the done thing y'know?
Even back in the days of dating (been together with my other half now for nearly 20 years now), would never think about going on a date looking like I'd just not bothered and covered in stubble... Think it creates a poor impression, IMO.
I get that styles come and go, but in certain context there's kind of social expectations...
For example, would you ever think it's okay for a potential suitor for your daughter to turn up wearing finely made clothes, polished shoes and well groomed hair... Only to have a rough stubbly visage? The phrase falling at the last hurdle would spring to mind...
Absolutely agree. How anyone can make an absolute statement after reading the graph Phil posted is beyond me, but it's hilarious to watch people crash and burn trying.
That was just a small example to prove the point to proper image and representation to a job interview. There were many other information and opinions that supports this issue that Phil had been adding. Just don't focus on a small bit that don't seem proper to you.
The pot calling the kettle black. Asking the open-minded to be more open-minded about others close-minded grooming prejudices? View attachment 559685View attachment 559685View attachment 559685
Women may notice stubble these days, but I've discovered that women at work tend to notice my aftershaves. Old Spice has been positively identified by them, with approval.
Take it as you will, each man must do as he sees fit, and as he believes in his heart.
But if you're in the market for a professional position and show up to your interview with that scruff and never hear back from them, don't say I didn't try to warn you!
Whether you like it or not, whether you think it's fair or unfair, whether you believe it is discrimination or good business, it's a fact that people will just have to deal with in many cases.
But if you're in the market for a professional position and show up to your interview with that scruff and never hear back from them, don't say I didn't try to warn you!
Whether you like it or not, whether you think it's fair or unfair, whether you believe it is discrimination or good business, it's a fact that people will just have to deal with in many cases.
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Not a pot...more like a pan
1) I don't terribly mind the three-day growth look, but I greatly prefer the one- to two-day growth look. My best friend has a big, curly, red beard and moustache, and I only shave every two to three days.
2) It is not unreasonable to expect someone to conform to a conservative dress and grooming standard when applying for a white-collar professional position. My friend with the beard used to work in the oil fracking industry, and currently drives a propane truck. I have no doubt in my mind that he would shave and don a suit if he were applying for a sales position.
3) Prejudices are a necessary part of social interaction. Without the propensity to form quick opinions about people based on cultural cues, how in the world do we interact? We can have conversations about which prejudices are worthwhile, but it would be foolish to try and eliminate them all from society.
2) It is not unreasonable to expect someone to conform to a conservative dress and grooming standard when applying for a white-collar professional position. My friend with the beard used to work in the oil fracking industry, and currently drives a propane truck. I have no doubt in my mind that he would shave and don a suit if he were applying for a sales position.
3) Prejudices are a necessary part of social interaction. Without the propensity to form quick opinions about people based on cultural cues, how in the world do we interact? We can have conversations about which prejudices are worthwhile, but it would be foolish to try and eliminate them all from society.
What exactly does that graph prove to you? There's no category specific to a trend involving facial hair, but even if I place it in the highest percentage group of strong influence, it still means that almost 3 in 10 companies don't care about it more than slightly. I can't believe that 3 in 10 companies throughout the U.S. are located in silicon valley, so in my mind that means that it's going on in other places. Would you agree that showing up to a job interview with a body piercing, visible tattoos, and dyed unconventional hair and an earring is bad? According to the graph less than a third of companies find that a strong influence which means that 2/3rd's of companies don't mind those things enough to not hire, and in the case of a beard or mustache, it's not even a number worth mentioning. Doesn't sound like conventional thinking is leading the pack according to the graph, yet I'm supposed to believe that a trend is so bad that everyone should just know it's not allowed? He posted a graph that proves the exact opposite of what he's trying to make a point about.
Like I said, I don't have a problem with him not hiring for whatever reason he wants. I just find the reason ridiculous because i'm seeing people say (paraphrasing) * he should have known ahead of time* and seem to overlook the graph he posted which states the opposite.
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Alex, don't bother... please. It's a Sisyphean task.
I guess I made too much sense there Alex 
. Hit me with a PM if you would like to discuss this subject further, friend.
. Hit me with a PM if you would like to discuss this subject further, friend.I think the non-conformist Engineering Interviewee with the facial stubble will do Ok too, as others before him have!
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I used to get home from work via the bus station and kids catching the same buses home from school filled those buses woth the overpowering stench of Lynx(as Axe is known here on the UK). I had two options - walk home or fight back with Brut.
What? It's EXACTLY the same situation
You make decisions about your appearance knowing full well what's expected in various social situations, you have to accept the consequences.
That's a bad analogy, since basketball players don't have to conform to socially accepted dress code.
As much as you're trying to deny it, office workers have certain expectations placed on them and professional appearance is one of them. You dye your hair orange and get face tattoos you're not getting a job in most companies, but the NBA is wide open to you.
Job's stubble is the reason old people complain about kids and their iPhones.
No it's not. If you're trying to compare facial hair with showing up to a job interview wearing tennis shoes and a t-shirt then you've missed my entire point, and have succombed to the people who want to derail this thread and talk about other things that don't have to do with facial hair. Explain how a facial hair trend has anything to do with showing up for a job in clothing that would most likely not get anyone hired? I've never argued that people don't get hired for a number of reasons, my argument has essentially boiled down to two points.
1. If someone does everything else correct, the employer would have hired them, and facial hair length is the only factor, it's quite possible that the person would be willing to change it if asked.
2. I don't think facial hair length is a standard that everyone agrees with across the board, but I hear statements like *everyone should just know* yet see a graph that doesn't back it up.
I don't have a problem if an employer doesn't hire someone because of their facial hair alone, but if they decide to not even inquire about whether or not the applicant would be willing to fix it then it's only going to hurt the employer, and the graph seems to indicate that there are companies that don't care enough about facial hair not to hire.
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