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I'll see if it needs and tweaking shortly.
My Grande Journey
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I'll see if it needs and tweaking shortly.
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I forgot to mention the handle.
Grande Length: 81.45mm - 12.25mm thick at the widest point.
Slant Length: 80.95mm - 11.95 at the widest point.
Stud Length
Grande: 12.27mm
Slant: 11.92mm
Any difference I feel must be imaginary.
Grande Length: 81.45mm - 12.25mm thick at the widest point.
Slant Length: 80.95mm - 11.95 at the widest point.
Stud Length
Grande: 12.27mm
Slant: 11.92mm
Any difference I feel must be imaginary.
Yes the first time I read Mike’s the razor that suits your style, I knew that was exactly what I was doing and looking for. The Grande was a lock for me.
I really don’t know if I have all my style yet. I have been on a fairly steep learning curve for over a year. Since the Grande I am just starting to feel I might be levelling out a little on the curve. I wouldn’t mind coasting for a bit. I feel that I am on that threshold. My shaves certainly have morphed into a good place for me.
Dimensions to one hundredth of a millimeter! I bet Fatip don't know about that sort of stuff. 
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The Good. The Bad & The Crooked Italian.
A timely post. I'll work my way back to that.
When did I shave last?
Crooked Italian, fresh Derby Extra.
Club Cola.
The Brush.
On the first stroke, I knew. I knew I didnt know and became more unsure as the shave went.
Typical three pass. No issues, no surprises, nothing different. Entire shave done steep, all comb.
Before I finished my right cheek I felt it. I felt it on every stroke thereafter growing more and more aware of it.
As the blade is torqued, it essentially curls. As it curls, the angle of edge to skin changes. I became keenly aware of that and it very much reminded me of my last shave with my Regent and a Perma-Sharp. When I'm shaving I can feel exactly where that change takes place, about mid width of the edge. It stops slicing and it starts scraping. It was frustrating because I cant control the angle of use to minimize that scraping feeling. It was there on my second pass S>N and it was there on my ATG pass and the clean up done after it.
With my Grande, the blades edge is a flat linear surface. I can control that angle of edge to skin because its shaving a (mostly) flat linear surface. With this thing I just cant because I'm not shaving a half concave surface. One area it did do really well was the 2 sq in area I mentioned the other day at the junction of my left jawline and corner of my chin shaving S>N. Because I can push my razor into my skin so easily there, I am shaving an area thats concave and uneven.
I said somewhere in the pages of this forum that I wasnt convinced the slant idea was anything more than a gimmick and I cant find where I said it but I was prepared to eat my words yet again. I remain unconvinced.
Compared to my Grande I find it equally smooth and arguably more efficient. I say that because I think it is more efficient but that efficiency comes at a price of comfort in my shave. Not that its uncomfortable or painful or anything of the like, it is not. Its just that I cant keep the entire width of the edge at the angle I prefer and because of that I cant make the blade disappear like I can my Grande.
I didnt see any waviness in the edge and I dont feel any waviness but I can, distinctly, feel the angle of the edge change in relation to my skin shaving as I normally do.
All of that said, does it give a good shave? No. It gives a great shave. Feeling S>N on my left cheek and jawline, which is notoriously difficult to BBS, its BBS and it didnt take long getting there either. I got there quicker by using the center of the blade by feel to buff that area knowing it would shave more efficiently because I could feel the blade so easily. Its the same reason why my R41 BBS's that area better than anything else I've used, even my MMOC. It shaves that area more efficiently because the blade angle is steep in relation to the skin. Comfort however, was still the sacrifice. Theres a differece between slicing the hair from the skin, and even below skin level, than there is scraping it off. Planer blades dont scrape. They cut. Scraper blades scrape. There is a difference.
I may get use to the feeling of the torqued blade, I dont know. The end results are as good as my Grande and I did get there a little quicker but I still did 3 passes and a single clean up. The exact same shave as my Grande.
I even stopped to think about the handle mid shave because I didnt really notice it. It feels different, neither better or worse, just different.
Oh yeah. Is it a lock for me? Not yet it aint but we'll see...
A timely post. I'll work my way back to that.
When did I shave last?
Crooked Italian, fresh Derby Extra.
Club Cola.
The Brush.
On the first stroke, I knew. I knew I didnt know and became more unsure as the shave went.
Typical three pass. No issues, no surprises, nothing different. Entire shave done steep, all comb.
Before I finished my right cheek I felt it. I felt it on every stroke thereafter growing more and more aware of it.
As the blade is torqued, it essentially curls. As it curls, the angle of edge to skin changes. I became keenly aware of that and it very much reminded me of my last shave with my Regent and a Perma-Sharp. When I'm shaving I can feel exactly where that change takes place, about mid width of the edge. It stops slicing and it starts scraping. It was frustrating because I cant control the angle of use to minimize that scraping feeling. It was there on my second pass S>N and it was there on my ATG pass and the clean up done after it.
With my Grande, the blades edge is a flat linear surface. I can control that angle of edge to skin because its shaving a (mostly) flat linear surface. With this thing I just cant because I'm not shaving a half concave surface. One area it did do really well was the 2 sq in area I mentioned the other day at the junction of my left jawline and corner of my chin shaving S>N. Because I can push my razor into my skin so easily there, I am shaving an area thats concave and uneven.
I said somewhere in the pages of this forum that I wasnt convinced the slant idea was anything more than a gimmick and I cant find where I said it but I was prepared to eat my words yet again. I remain unconvinced.
Compared to my Grande I find it equally smooth and arguably more efficient. I say that because I think it is more efficient but that efficiency comes at a price of comfort in my shave. Not that its uncomfortable or painful or anything of the like, it is not. Its just that I cant keep the entire width of the edge at the angle I prefer and because of that I cant make the blade disappear like I can my Grande.
I didnt see any waviness in the edge and I dont feel any waviness but I can, distinctly, feel the angle of the edge change in relation to my skin shaving as I normally do.
All of that said, does it give a good shave? No. It gives a great shave. Feeling S>N on my left cheek and jawline, which is notoriously difficult to BBS, its BBS and it didnt take long getting there either. I got there quicker by using the center of the blade by feel to buff that area knowing it would shave more efficiently because I could feel the blade so easily. Its the same reason why my R41 BBS's that area better than anything else I've used, even my MMOC. It shaves that area more efficiently because the blade angle is steep in relation to the skin. Comfort however, was still the sacrifice. Theres a differece between slicing the hair from the skin, and even below skin level, than there is scraping it off. Planer blades dont scrape. They cut. Scraper blades scrape. There is a difference.
I may get use to the feeling of the torqued blade, I dont know. The end results are as good as my Grande and I did get there a little quicker but I still did 3 passes and a single clean up. The exact same shave as my Grande.
I even stopped to think about the handle mid shave because I didnt really notice it. It feels different, neither better or worse, just different.
Oh yeah. Is it a lock for me? Not yet it aint but we'll see...
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16 hours BBS on the corners of my chin. Its still shiny this morning. Impressive.
Mike, I'm never sure of any slant right off. It took me a good five shaves to really start loving it. It took me a month with my Merkur 37c. Now I find the Lo Storto's smoothness, efficiency, and ease of use unapparelled in the world of DE's.
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All that without a Feather.
My first shave it felt to me that the steep angle wasn’t where it is on the Grande. I felt uncomfortable searching for it. I like shallow angle better anyway. I do not know why though specifically probably just comfort. From your humped blade description Mike. Maybe that was what I was feeling the hump.
Mike- RIGIDITY- I’m thinking you will. Mike could this be one of those times where adapting to the machine is a good thing? Resistance is Futile. You will assimilate.
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Right now, I just kind of shave with it. I don't even know what angles I'm using. It seems to be very intuitive.
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I dont doubt that for a second. Feeling what I did it really made me wonder how anyone could use a PAA or anything else less supporting of the blade. The Fatip didnt tug anymore than my Grande but it definitely feels like it has more power. If a Grande is a 350 Chevy, the slant is a 350 stroked to 383. With a Feather, maybe supercharged.
Yep, impressive. My longest lasting BBS with a Derby Extra was in my NEW SC, with a very steep angle, at 10 hours.
I hope I dont feel this way about my Grande in another month but I might.
Its not even about adapting to it really. It feels fine, smooth and secure, just different. Had I used a slant before I likely wouldnt have been surprised by it.
Yeah, I agree. Its easy to use. Easier than the Grande maybe. If I had started cold with this razor as my first DE and learned it, all other razors I tried after would have been pointless.
I agree with you Rave. Everybody who loves Fatips feels that neutrality with the angles. I guess some of us have to slam the doors and check under the hood even though its all good.
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Exactly lol.
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The Razor? Fresh Gillette Yellow.
The Soap.
The Brush.
The same shave as last, 3 passes one clean up, with maybe, less buffing over all. I find myself buffing less because I'm not familiar with it yet and keep expecting that twisted blade to jump out and take a bite but it never feels like it will. I picked a Gillette Yellow because I know they tug, at all, and are exceptionally smooth. I thought that, maybe, because they are so smooth I'd feel the transition in the blade less and I did. I felt it so much less it wasnt even there.
Step 1 complete.
I think that, maybe, with the Derby Extra I used, that because they have a lower cutting ability, that I was feeling that transition because I was actually making the very edge flex at that transition point. Maybe it was flexing and I could feel....something, because it was scraping instead of cutting. I felt none of that today, at all, whatsoever. Nada.
Gillette Yellows always gave me a close shave too, but not this close. The different in closeness is, I think, moot. The difference in comfort is, I think, also moot. The ease of use is, almost, a no contest. This Fatip never felt unforgiving. I cant say I even really felt the blade although I was aware of on the first pass when I could at least hear it cutting, as quietly as it did. After that I felt nothing. I was trying, and mostly failing, to feel the teeth to gauge the pressure but theres as smooth as oiled glass so not much help.
As a consequence of that, after finishing my second pass with increased pressure, when I wiped with a wet hand I felt some sting. This razor is going to take a few shaves before I dial it in but it's promising to say the least. Or, perhaps, I'm feeling a bit melancholic and I'm not yet prepared to put my Grande to bed.
$35? Seriously? Yer kidding right, it has to cost more than that! Baffles me. Cheap at twice the price. Literally.
The Soap.
The Brush.
The same shave as last, 3 passes one clean up, with maybe, less buffing over all. I find myself buffing less because I'm not familiar with it yet and keep expecting that twisted blade to jump out and take a bite but it never feels like it will. I picked a Gillette Yellow because I know they tug, at all, and are exceptionally smooth. I thought that, maybe, because they are so smooth I'd feel the transition in the blade less and I did. I felt it so much less it wasnt even there.
Step 1 complete.
I think that, maybe, with the Derby Extra I used, that because they have a lower cutting ability, that I was feeling that transition because I was actually making the very edge flex at that transition point. Maybe it was flexing and I could feel....something, because it was scraping instead of cutting. I felt none of that today, at all, whatsoever. Nada.
Gillette Yellows always gave me a close shave too, but not this close. The different in closeness is, I think, moot. The difference in comfort is, I think, also moot. The ease of use is, almost, a no contest. This Fatip never felt unforgiving. I cant say I even really felt the blade although I was aware of on the first pass when I could at least hear it cutting, as quietly as it did. After that I felt nothing. I was trying, and mostly failing, to feel the teeth to gauge the pressure but theres as smooth as oiled glass so not much help.
As a consequence of that, after finishing my second pass with increased pressure, when I wiped with a wet hand I felt some sting. This razor is going to take a few shaves before I dial it in but it's promising to say the least. Or, perhaps, I'm feeling a bit melancholic and I'm not yet prepared to put my Grande to bed.
$35? Seriously? Yer kidding right, it has to cost more than that! Baffles me. Cheap at twice the price. Literally.
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She was a golden haired beauty too. Perhaps a bit more like an MMOC minus the blade tabs lol, but...
