I started wet DE shaving a little over a year ago. Watched videos, read a bit on this forum. I bought a Weber 23c and TOBS sandalwood to start. I bowl lathered. It worked, but I never really got great lather. So, over time I changed gradually, and bought some croaps, such as Sterling Lavender and sage, and a bowl of Cella. I changed to face lathering to better understand the lather, and switched to boar brushes from badger. Gradually I got better and better. I switched to a Weber stainless steel razor, which turns out to be a bit more aggressive. So, for the fun of it I pulled out the old tub of TOBS I started with. I gave a few swirls in the tub of my soaked and squeezed Omega boar and loaded it. I face lathered and shaved. Truly terrific stuff. Just peaks of slick lathery goodness. Now that I know how to do it the product did what it was supposed to do. So, I guess I can lather with creams now and do well. Amazing what some experience and technique will do.