Yeah, I tried getting it out of him also. No luck on that front.
What caused me to hold out on trying the RR soaps for so long was the belief that they were nothing more than scented Cella, which I have found to be untrue. That's why I'm arguing that they are not.
I don't think it is the same manufacturer either, and if it is, I think it is a different formulation. The product look different, has a different consistency and they have differnet performance results, i.e. the lather is different from the two. I am with TZee on this one. I agree that all the Italian croaps are similar though so who knows.