New Razor Blades Last 3X Longer And Shave Effortlessly

[Jim]

Biomesh,

I appreciate your concern and I will find out how much I can reveal at this point(didn't I write this already?). I can assure you none of the ingredients are harmful and are hypoallergenic. You guys are missing the point that the product is NOT a shaving oil or anything that will come into contact with the skin, so there is no need to worry about any sort of reactions to the product.

I'm trying my best here guys, but I'm beginning to feel like a cornered mouse.

Hank

Hank,

If you spend a few minute's looking around the site here you would see that we are a group of men who dissect even the most infinite detail of our shaving. Every aspect of our shave from the brush, cream, soap, aftershave and scent is examined in the finest detail. These questions are real and your reticence in the replies is just fueling a feeling of "snake oil salesmanship" This product may work, But I will not try it and will not recommend anyone try it with out more transparency in your replies.

 

[biomesh]

Here is a recent example of what happens when you don't list your ingredients.

A lot of skepticism before the ingredients were finally listed.

 

[ouch]

Suzuki,

No disrespect intended but razorguard has been around for years and you're asking for quite a bit judging from what they divulge about their product.

Marty, this is possible down the road as we are a start-up just getting out of the gate.

Well, which one is it?

 

[modern man]

Well, which one is it?

Neither.

Shavex is that you? I am still waiting on my Alum Block.

 

[TimmyBoston]

I don't buy how a simple liquid is going to sharpen a razor blade, especially one without a list of ingredients.

Buyer Beware Big Time on this one, I'm detecting a strong whiff of Snake Oil in this product.

Good luck, Hank, but I don't think it's gonna happen here.

 

[castlecraver]

I don't buy how a simple liquid is going to sharpen a razor blade, especially one without a list of ingredients.

Remove small amounts of oxidation or buildup? Perhaps. Actually sharpen the blade... I'd be so bold as to say impossible.

It doesn't actually look like he's making that claim however.

RazorLast solution works in several ways. First, it consistently prevents the build-up of hard salt crystals that constantly form along razor edges if they are left to air-dry after use. This build-up eventually translates into dull blades. At the same time, it prevents oxidation which occurs naturally on newly used razor blades, and also works to maintain the very fine coating of lubricating oil placed on the blades by the manufacturer.

Which, frankly, sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

That being said... I think (Hank), you'll find that most guys here spend an average of $0.10 or so per DE blade, and change them pretty frequently. Probably too frequently for small bits of buildup to become a real issue. And at a cost that's so insignificant that it's really not a problem that needs solving anyway.

Still, if you're claiming RazorLast can truly improve our shaves (reducing friction, or through whatever means), this sort of thing would lend itself quite well to a double-blind test. Perhaps something can be worked out whereby two RazorTubes can be sent to a trusted member of this forum, one filled with the RazorLast solution, one filled with water or a suitable placebo. Label the tubes "A" and "B" and send the key separately to another trusted member. The user(s) can give their opinion on which shaves better under conditions of normal use, without knowing the true identity of the razor treatments.

Granted, this is overkill. I get the feeling the first member or two to actually try your stuff will give it a resounding "meh" and that'll be the end of it. I'd be the first to admit my ignorance if they backed up your claims and I were proved wrong, though.

Best of luck in your new venture, and welcome to B&B.

 

[SkepticDEuser]

Maybe there's too much typing going on about this product.....................if the product is so good.........send a few samples out for trial.

If the products does what it's supposed to..................you'll have a ton of buyers................if it doesn't...........well............let's no go there!

Enjoy the shave!

 

[TstebinsB]

I think your product would work best with cartridge razor users. Considering all the products at our disposal, I really don't think there is much need for Razorlast here. Guys who have come to this community have done so in search of improving their shaves. Shaving brushes, good shaving soaps and creams, quality after shave products - they all provide that dramatic improvement your product claims to give. No single solution can compare to all of these things.

I hope you haven't been turned off to B&B by the responses but wetshavers are a small group within the global landscape of shaving. B&B represents an even smaller group within that larger shaving community. We take all claims seriously because members base their purchases and practices on the information disseminated here. As such, before someone's claims are allowed to disperse uninterruptedly, they will be thorougly scrutinized. Being able to withstand the questions only gives your product credibility. The inability to endure the questions does the opposite.

 

[Suzuki]

Suzuki,

No disrespect intended but razorguard has been around for years and you're asking for quite a bit judging from what they divulge about their product.

http://www.razorguard.com/RGweb2000/website/framesetproducts2.htm

At the very least, we explain in much more detail what's going on with the dulling process which has been verified scientifically. The results of using our product are confirmed by the many customers now using it. Independent laboratory testing is not necessarily needed when customers are confirming the validity of the product's performance from daily usage.

Sincerely,

Hank

When someone says "no disrespect intended" what usually follows is disrespectful.

While you response may not have been disrespectful, it certainly shows a lack of respect...for my intelligence.

First off, the fact that a rival product provides little information regarding doesn't make the lack of information on your site acceptable. You may use more letters in your description, but the information content remains effectively nil.

You claim that your site explains the "dulling process" in more detail - which it doesn't. The view that its all about mineral deposits/corrosion caused by atmospheric moisture and not wear on the blades from actually cutting hair defies the laws of physics - I would think that you would want to back this unconventional view up with some science (as opposed to the marketing puffery on your site).

It appears that you may have spoken to a lawyer about what you can get away with in terms of performance claims/testimonials, as you claim to know that you can make certain types of performance claims that are unsupported by laboratory tests. It always strikes me as suspicious when this approach is taken. This view is compounded by the fact that you've not answered any substantive question asked with anything other than a mealy-mouthed, marketing-speak response.

In short, I suspect your product is basically some sort of alcohol or other solvent that you've shoved into some fancy bottles, given a fancy name and decided to shill through a fancy website.

If you really think your product is the best think to happen to shaving since stainless steel, why don't you provide some free samples, shipped at your expense, so that people we trust can conduct some independent test of your products.

In the interim, I'll stay away from your products given your decision not to back your performance claims with scientific data or laboratory testing.

 

[biomesh]

I think Hank needs to find the right group of people. Instead of Badger & Blade, maybe "Can & Cartridge" would be a bit more open to your product...

 

[farace]

Still, if you're claiming RazorLast can truly improve our shaves (reducing friction, or through whatever means),

He's telling those worried about allergies that the RazorLast is completely rinsed off the blade before shaving. If that's the case, then there's nothing left to reduce friction. If there is, indeed something left to reduce friction, then not everything is being washed off the blade, and those worried about an allergic reaction do indeed have something to be concerned about.

Can't have it both ways.

 

[ouch]

Maybe there's too much typing going on about this product.....................if the product is so good.........send a few samples out for trial.

If the products does what it's supposed to..................you'll have a ton of buyers................if it doesn't...........well............let's no go there!

Enjoy the shave!

+1. I'm with the Amazing Randi on this one. Believe me, I would love for this stuff to work. I'd also love to find a Bugatti at a garage sale and play catch with my long deceased dad. If two or three samples were provided to anyone here with a decent reputation (or even to me!) and they acheived the desired results, your work would be done for you.

I think Hank needs to find the right group of people. Instead of Badger & Blade, maybe "Can & Cartridge" would be a bit more open to your product...

Congrats. You just came up with the official name for someone.

 

[SLider]

This thread and the last shavex thread is making me feel a little uncomfortable. I understand that we as a group are always looking for the best and most definitely want an ingredient list as well as tons of info regarding a product before we want to use it. With that said, I feel the we've become a little to hostile and quick with the mildly insulting comments (like snake oil salesman) when we don't get what we want. When it became obvious that we weren't really going to get an ingredient list, and that this products wasn't really for us "non-cartridge" fellows, I think it would have been better just to say to yourself, well it's not for me, rather than piling on the guy and driving him off.

That's just my two cents, but it could be that I'm a little too generous

 

[analog_kid]

Might be a little late for this guy but...

 

[ouch]

This thread and the last shavex thread is making me feel a little uncomfortable. I understand that we as a group are always looking for the best and most definitely want an ingredient list as well as tons of info regarding a product before we want to use it. With that said, I feel the we've become a little to hostile and quick with the mildly insulting comments (like snake oil salesman) when we don't get what we want. When it became obvious that we weren't really going to get an ingredient list, and that this products wasn't really for us "non-cartridge" fellows, I think it would have been better just to say to yourself, well it's not for me, rather than piling on the guy and driving him off.

That's just my two cents, but it could be that I'm a little too generous

A bit of perspective, Slider. The guy's first post on this site was an attempt to sell stuff, without even a hello. That's a no-no by itself. It's also a no-no to argue with the customers. The fact that his product boasted extraordinary claims that at least appear to violate the generally accepted concepts of edge retention practically begs that he be challenged.

 

[edk442]

Well he seems to be doing somewhat better than over at SRP lol...I will say though that I HAVE heard from on the MensHealth website (which is usually pretty good for the articles they have) that the minerals in water do more to dull a razor than actual shaving. Whether that's completely true, who knows. It may be a contributing factor. They also advised that you store razors in rubbing alchol to make blades last longer.

So does this guy have a product that works...possibly. Is he targetting the wrong group...definately.

http://www.wikihow.com/Prevent-Razor-Burn

"Blades last much longer than most people think. The apparent dulling of the blade is due to the formation of microscopic "teeth" on the edge, made up of mineral crystals from the water. These drag against the skin, causing the blade to grab, and producing cuts and much of the razor burn. You can avoid this by (a) always rinsing the blade in cold water, never hot, and (b) dipping it in rubbing alcohol after the final rinse. The alcohol will displace the water and the minerals in it, and evaporate without leaving residue. Store the razor with the blade edges upward. "

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=53716&page=6

long, but the last few posts say the same thing

 

[BrianP]

A bit of perspective, Slider. The guy's first post on this site was an attempt to sell stuff, without even a hello. That's a no-no by itself. It's also a no-no to argue with the customers. The fact that his product boasted extraordinary claims that at least appear to violate the generally accepted concepts of edge retention practically begs that he be challenged.

Same over at SRP and I took him to task on it, as a member who didn't like what was happening to the community. When there are outstanding examples of vendors who contribute meaningfully to the group (and others), I take issue with someone showing up spamming their wares.

 

[Justme-]

Barry,

I have one customer who wrote to tell me he had a MRSA infection on his face that two doctors confirmed he received from shaving. He has never shared his razors with anyone. ?? Our product gives him piece of mind now and he has very little to no skin irritation when he shaves now. The anti-bacterial properties of our product have nothing to do with the enhancement of the cutting blades. The anti-germicidal aspects of the product are simply an additional benefit Razorlast provides to the customer.

Sincerely,

Hank

FWIW,Hank, your customer's testimony is inaccurate because his Doctor's confirmations are inaccurate and almost erronious. Any qualified health care professional will see the fault in that diagnosis, and by default your product will not kill the bacteria.
MRSA is not contracted by shaving, unless the person is shaving with an infected razor in which case he has clusters of bacteria on his hands already and most Staph that relate to MRSA are in body fluids and fecal matter.
(Shaving in the toilet is never a good idea.... )
MRSA is a collection of drug resistant bacteria infections- most resistant to Vancomycin and penicillin. If those won't kill it.....

You may want to refer your customer testimonials to your legal staff when they claim things like that for review before posting them.

I will not pass judgement on the product as I have not used it but this is not the first product to makes those claims. If really does work (unlike the other products over the years) and you can prove it, you should be trying to license or sell it to a larger company (Like T&H, Anthony Logistics, Bic, etc.) who has the money and name to push it mainstream. Think someone who would benefit from selling your product without impacting their own product lines sales....
Also, you want to market to those who will benefit from it in the end user market too- cartridge razor buyers, not Razor blade users (DE blades) like us here. As someone pointed out, financially speaking it's cheaper to throw away the blades then extend them with the cost of your product.

You have to know your target market before you can sell them- that's basic sales training 101. I wish you luck, if it works and you market it correctly you will be very successful.

 

[SLider]

A bit of perspective, Slider. The guy's first post on this site was an attempt to sell stuff, without even a hello. That's a no-no by itself. It's also a no-no to argue with the customers. The fact that his product boasted extraordinary claims that at least appear to violate the generally accepted concepts of edge retention practically begs that he be challenged.

I understand that, but I guess I would just rather see it be ignored rather than badgered upon. He obviously was looking for his target market audience by hitting shaving boards and you can't really fault a person for trying to promote a product (although obviously not a very reputable one). I guess I'd like to leave at what the first few posts did (asking for more information) and when he fails to respond adequately, just leave it alone. I just don't see a need to antagonize the guy.

By no means am I defending him, his responses were really bad for someone who wants to sell a product, especially when he's leading with comments like "no disrespect intended"... I just would have preferred it if we didn't bully him so much, it's not like he was trying to sell viagra.

 

[liege]

Well he seems to be doing somewhat better than over at SRP lol...I will say though that I HAVE heard from on the MensHealth website (which is usually pretty good for the articles they have) that the minerals in water do more to dull a razor than actual shaving. Whether that's completely true, who knows. It may be a contributing factor. They also advised that you store razors in rubbing alchol to make blades last longer.

So does this guy have a product that works...possibly. Is he targetting the wrong group...definately.

http://www.wikihow.com/Prevent-Razor-Burn

"Blades last much longer than most people think. The apparent dulling of the blade is due to the formation of microscopic "teeth" on the edge, made up of mineral crystals from the water. These drag against the skin, causing the blade to grab, and producing cuts and much of the razor burn. You can avoid this by (a) always rinsing the blade in cold water, never hot, and (b) dipping it in rubbing alcohol after the final rinse. The alcohol will displace the water and the minerals in it, and evaporate without leaving residue. Store the razor with the blade edges upward. "

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=53716&page=6

long, but the last few posts say the same thing

Is this why they used to sell those semi-circular razor blade honing stones I see on Ebay once in a while. Wouldn't that get rid of the mineral crystals clinging to the blade and dulling it? Even corking a blade would probably remove those pesky crystals.