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I got one! | The elusive Gillette Double Ring TIN

shavefreak

shavefreak

I did not want to say anything until it was in my hands but it's official. I got a decent condition empty tin. I am still looking forward to photographing a friends complete felt lined tin set but here are some pics, not my best photography but here are all sides, I can only upload 5 images the other side says "No honing" just like the "No stropping" side. I was really surprised to see the "Patented in all of the principle countries of the world" so prominent on the back as in my research this was out before Gillette Nov 1904 patent, as discussed in other threads. The last picture shows an authentic impossibly rare blade that came out of the little tin blade holders that came inside the tin. I can't wait to sell this to someone when I get a complete felt lined set someday :wink2:. I have been so lucky not only with contacts but the timing of talking with these contacts I have to think King Camp has been sending me down some mojo from the heavens.

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TheEye

you sound like swanky... just for your information and improving your knowledge: those tins were not felted!
 
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TheEye

how are you acting is quite swanky... i saw 4 of those tins and no case was felted. furthermore there are similiar tins made by other companies and those are not felted too. felting that case is senseless and illogical for that time period and you would hide the lettering of the lid...
 
shavefreak

shavefreak

TheEye said:
how are you acting is quite swanky... i saw 4 of those tins and no case was felted. furthermore there are similiar tins made by other companies and those are not felted too. felting that case is senseless and illogical for that time period and you would hide the lettering of the lid...
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Not swanky, a little excited, I had some luck but worked very hard to track this down.

This is a picture of Roy Johnson's tin and the only open tin photo I could find on the web. It shows grey or purple felt/velvet. It could have been added in I don't know however it is a big tin to have the razor rattle around and scratch the blade tins. Most other razor tins I have seen and own are tight to the razor itself. If you have seen four of them or own one as much info as you can provide would be appreciated. Note: there is not any lettering inside the tin other than the inside top, any felt inside would not be covering any lettering. I am also attaching an auction house description of a tin for sale at auction a couple of years ago, notice the description of a velvet lining. I certainly have a lot to learn but I think you are mistaken about the tin on the lettering and lining accounts and also my swankyness.



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almaga

almaga

Best of luck to you.. Mr Swanky comments is why I keep a lot of what I collect to myself.. Best of luck to you I remember looking at Mr Johnson's collection and looking at that one in particular...thanks for sharing I'm a tad bit jealous :blushing:
 
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amishmotorboat

TheEye said:
you sound like swanky... just for your information and improving your knowledge: those tins were not felted!
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TheEye said:
how are you acting is quite swanky... i saw 4 of those tins and no case was felted. furthermore there are similiar tins made by other companies and those are not felted too. felting that case is senseless and illogical for that time period and you would hide the lettering of the lid...
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Is this jealousy talking? Shavefreak came and posted an impressive find and most of us are happy to see it.
In the short 12 posts you've made here so far, at least 3 of them have been non-constructive criticisms of members' scores. You said someone's double ring was nasty, and on another occasion said you wouldn't have paid a dollar for a prized razor someone posted. What are you doing here, and what are your plans to improve?
 
Dalejr

Dalejr

The razor on the tin is gold, were the gold double rings that no one has seen as of yet sold in these tins I wonder?
 
shavefreak

shavefreak

Dalejr said:
The razor on the tin is gold, were the gold double rings that no one has seen as of yet sold in these tins I wonder?
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All razors found in tins have been silver according to respected and aging collectors well into their 70's. I have been asking. Probably best for it's own thread but I think since we are seeing single rings from 1905 that any gold orders and gold engraved orders were done as single rings. We have seen early double ring ads offering gold in late 1903 and 1904 and at that time it was the first time anyone heard of such a razor and blade like this in gold or silver and unlikely people would pony up for the most expensive one. I also do not think people would throw out gold anything and we have no sightings ever. If one ever shows up I would want the plating dated or something cause I just don't think it's out there. As the word got out about the razor in 1905 it would make sense some were made and the single ring machining was kicking into gear. I could only think early Gillette employees might have had a couple but even King Camp's engraved gold razor was a single ring. Early staff were mostly women and there was not a big executive board or a ton of salesman yet. If any were made they were for testing the plating or given to special investors or something. I suspect none were sold to the masses to produce any at all for us to see.
 
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amishmotorboat

I wouldn't count out the gold double ring just yet.
How many double rings are accounted for out of the few hundred thousand produced?

Now think of other sets that are much more common, like a run of the mill new improved and it's much pricier version, the cavalier. Based on how often New Improveds show up, and how often Cavaliers show up, how often do you think a double ring purchaser would opt for the gold?

I'm betting that we do not have enough double rings accounted for to expect even one gold one to show up even if we knew they were out there.

edit: what I'm getting at is that I'm betting that if 1 gold one was sold for every X number of regular double rings, that we currently have fewer than X in our collective possessions.
 
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