Let me preface this by saying I started wet shaving in 2008 (never looked back!) and I tried some G.F. Trumpers rose soap back then but could not get a good lather. I got a thin watery blend and gave up on it as there are too many good soaps out there. I recently got a refill soap of their Eucris soap as I thought perhaps I was a rookie back then etc. ( you get the gist eh?). The Eucris is just as bad no matter how I try to get lather. Thin, watery , bubbly soap again! What am I doing wrong here? ( I tried Mantic's way, no luck) I am done with Trumpers. Taylor Of Old Bond Sandalwood soap is 100 times better than Trumper IMO. Sorry for the long rant!