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Email back from Vulfix about shedding.

I have had a Vulfix 2233 for a couple of years, and it has been a great brush. Shed the occasional hair the first month or so, then never shed. Till a few months back, and now it sheds a few hairs a couple shaves a week. Constant picking hairs out of my soap and lather is getting old.

So I emailed vulfix and explained my situation. Did not expect in any way to get a replacement for it, so don't think this email is about that. Just wanted to get their opinion on what I may be doing wrong.

I take very good care of my brush using the guidance of this site to ensure it lasts me a long time.

Here is what they had to say:
Thank you for the email.

Shedding is an issue that occurs from time to time, thankfully a problem in very limited numbers, particularly bearing in mind the thousands of shaving brushes that we manufacture each year.

Hair loss from our shaving brushes happens for three reasons:

Firstly, incorrect use of the shaving brush. Over zealous use of the shaving brush can result in bristles snapping or being dislodged from their glued knot base. Some individuals tend to push the brush into their face and swirl the brush over the skin rather than produce a good lather by using a ‘painting’ motion in light strokes. It is easy for us to detect mistreatment of the brush in this way on visual inspection.

Secondly, poor brush aftercare. A shaving brush should be rinsed thoroughly in piping hot water to remove excess soap or cream, then ‘shocked’ in very cold water to remove any remaining residue. The shaving brush head should never be touched by hand during the rinsing process … another big no, no. Some individuals have a tendency to try and squeeze the soap out of the head which in turn applies massive pressure on the hair within the knot as they are pulled upwards. Brushes should be shook out to dry initially, then hung upside down in a well vented area to avoid the build up of mildew spores which attack the glue and hair at the base.

Thirdly, manufacturing defects. Our shaving brushes are all handmade products (perhaps the only manufacturer in the world still employing traditional techniques), therefore a certain amount of human error must be factored in. Incorrect bundling, tying, setting, gluing & twiddling can all contribute to a shedding brush.

As you can see, it’s quite a complex issue. The majority of brush faults are a direct result of points 1 & 2. I’m not suggesting for one minute that this is the case with your #2233.

By examining your shaving brush in closer detail we will be able to determine what the exact problem is. If we discover that the brush has a manufacturing related fault, we will naturally send out a replacement immediately.

Therefore, I would be very grateful if you could return the brush to the address given below and marked for the attention of xxx.

Best regards,


The main thing I am curious about is the first reason he gives, and more specifically the swirling motion. I don't know about any of you, but I don't think I could make adequate lather with just a painting motion.

Loved the detailed response though. Not sure I want to pony up the money to send a $40 brush accross the pond with the chance of it getting replaced though.
 
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Atison: Put your brush in a padded envelope and send it to the Isle of Man. I believe mine cost 5-6 dollars postage. They will take excellent care of you, some of the best customer service of around.:thumbup1: My shedding PJ2 in best returned to me in ~2weeks with the handle polished and a reknot. I was so impressed that I purchased a Simfix Grosvenor as a result. Fist class company. Regards, Bradley
 
Good response..I find his comments on squezing the brush interesting. I've always felt that squeezing the brush could be detrimental to the knot due to the pulling of the hair.

Now, I'm not so sure about the recommendation of using piping hot water to rinse the brush. Wouldn't heat be detrimental to the knot glue?
 
Thank you for the email.

Hair loss from our shaving brushes happens for three reasons:

Firstly, incorrect use of the shaving brush. Over zealous use of the shaving brush can result in bristles snapping or being dislodged from their glued knot base. Some individuals tend to push the brush into their face and swirl the brush over the skin rather than produce a good lather by using a ‘painting’ motion in light strokes. It is easy for us to detect mistreatment of the brush in this way on visual inspection.

Secondly, poor brush aftercare. A shaving brush should be rinsed thoroughly in piping hot water to remove excess soap or cream, then ‘shocked’ in very cold water to remove any remaining residue. The shaving brush head should never be touched by hand during the rinsing process … another big no, no. Some individuals have a tendency to try and squeeze the soap out of the head which in turn applies massive pressure on the hair within the knot as they are pulled upwards. Brushes should be shook out to dry initially, then hung upside down in a well vented area to avoid the build up of mildew spores which attack the glue and hair at the base.

Best regards,


The main thing I am curious about is the first reason he gives, and more specifically the swirling motion. I don't know about any of you, but I don't think I could make adequate lather with just a painting motion.

I wonder about the painting thing too. Plus the recommended cleaning procedure. "Never touch the bristles by hand " Phew !! I usually hold mine under the hot water, and spread out the bristles and work them well. Then I shake it out.
It sounds like they are recommending just swirling it in hot water. Then in cold, then a good shake.
Pretty different than what I do.
 
Not arguing the quality and support of the company, and thanks for the word on their customer service.

My brush is not a high end one, and cost me $40. I like the brush, but may be looking to get a brush with more backbone (soap face latherer), so spending even $5-$6 doesn't sound great to me. Although I might do it just to experience their customer service.
 
I had shedding issues with my vulfix, sent it to them for inspection, and they sent me a brand spanking new replacement in no time flat. Pretty amazing.

I agree, hard to build that nice thick lather without the swirling motions.

When I rinse the brush I do so gently using warm water and try to minimize any pull on the knot. Very gentle squeeze to get most of the water out then hang to dry.

I think brushes are pretty resilient. For example, if you've ever tried to restore a vintage Everready, those beat up old hairs can be incredibly difficult to pull out even with a pair of pliers and lots of straining.
 
Namby pamby babying brushes doesn't sit well with me.

It's a brush for crying out loud, if it's not fit for the purpose it was designed, it's a dud. Abuse is one thing, treating it like a tool and not a precious, delicate object, is another.

I had a Rooney and treated it nice and it still shed. I now use boars because they're not prima donnas, they're just as good, a quarter of the price and they don't shed, even when I treat them like a brush and swirl away like the disrespectful lather maniac that I am.
 
Imho I feel #1&2 are to protect themselves in case a brush was abused, and a consumer were trying to take advantage of their customer service. Don't know of a case where they have denied to fix/replace a brush sent their way. However, generosity has its limits and some consumers will test those limits. They don't know what will be showing up until they open the posted package. My experience was outstanding and I explained that I was the second owner in advance. :thumbup:
 
I think it is great that they replied to you, but what they actually said is a load of nonsense. Judging by that e-mail, the person on the other end has probably never used a shaving brush in their lifetime.

Whatever you do, do not listen to them. Rinsing your brush in piping hot water will loosen the knot. Warm water does a good enough job.

I mash my Shavemac into my lather bowl and my face, I clean the brush with warm water, I touch the hairs during the cleaning process with my hands, I squeeze the brush after soaking and after cleaning, and I use a swirling motion. About a year ago I sent my brush to Bernd Blos of Shavemac and he told me that my brush had clearly been cared for.

What Vulfix is telling you is the same nonsense that Plisson peddles. Swirling motions and mashing your brush will not break it. In my opinion, the companies are just trying to get around poor craftsmanship. Number three is the only point that should have been included in the e-mail. I mean, it is a brush, not a newborn baby, for crying out loud!
 
I have swapped a few more emails with Vulfix, who, like any good company, looks at the boards here at B&B.

I want to be clear that they are addressing this with me in the most professional way. I appreciate a company that stands behind their product and its craftsmanship, and pushes for more info instead of just replacing a product at the drop of the hat.

I think of another brush company (that you can buy at CVS :)) and their practice of just sending out a free brush at the first sight of an email from someone without getting any more information makes me question their focus on quality.

For a company who hand makes all their brushes, is a small business (their site says the employ over 15 people), and operates on a small island in the Irish Sea, I doubt there is anyone in the company (ladies included) that have not used their brushes.
 
Not sure I understand the reason to "shock" it in cold water after cleaning it. Also, what's the difference between touching it with my face while lathering or touching it with my hands while cleaning?
 
Wow, great info direct from the source! Looks like they are really a great company. I am glad I have 2 of their brushes. Hopefully I can keep the SBAD at bay and not get anymore.
 
Not sure I understand the reason to "shock" it in cold water after cleaning it. Also, what's the difference between touching it with my face while lathering or touching it with my hands while cleaning?

I was wondering the same thing. While I agree that it is not a good idea to smash a brush into anything, swirling does not need to be brutal to be an effective way to create lather (face or bowl).
 
I have a Vulfix Super (forget which model though) and it sheds hair occasionally. It is rather floppy and I have to push it into my face to work the lather in. This is one reason I like brushes with good backbone and soft tips (like Shavemac Silvertips). These brushes will make you take it easy as they will do the work for you...you don't have to shove the hairs into your face to effectively work the lather.

I would send it in and see what they say...but, what's to prevent him from saying that it is #1 rather than #3? You, as the consumer, have an information disadvantage (you don't know how to determine and assess #1). How would you know what this determination is unless they told you? So, I can almost fell what their answer is going to be.
 
I only have one brush that I've been using for over 2 years, its a Vulfix 660s super badger.

I do everything they say not to do, I don't shock it in cold water, I swirl and mash it on my face, I squeeze out the excess on a towel, I leave it standing up rather than hanging down etc. it's safe to say I've been abusing this brush since I got it.

Its never lost any hairs that I've ever seen save for one or two when I first started using it.

the other day I got my commodore x2, I'm going to have to retire my 660 now, but thats another topic.
 
In this thread 2/2 say they have outstanding customer service. I vote for giving them a chance at 3/3. If you need a loaner while yours is away, pm me. I know, firsthand, that they will resolve your problem. Let us know how it works out. That kind of info is helpful for future purchases.:thumbup1: Bradley
 
Oddly enough, Charles at QED gave me much the same information. He said the swirling motion could saw hairs off at the handle- but he still did it anyway.
 
Namby pamby babying brushes doesn't sit well with me.

It's a brush for crying out loud, if it's not fit for the purpose it was designed, it's a dud. Abuse is one thing, treating it like a tool and not a precious, delicate object, is another.
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Im right there with ya on that.

"Piping hot" water to a Brit is what we call "lukewarm" in the US.


erm not so much.
 
I've literally ripped vintage knots out of the handles by gripping them and the handle in opposite hands and pulling as hard as I can, and not had them shed a hair. TWISTING can cause shedding as the edge of the knots hole can sever hairs, but I've still done it when I had to, and the hairs that got cut were the only ones I lost. Then other brushes I've had the knots fall out when shaking the brush, hit a carpeted floor and break into a dozen separate clumps of hair.


Vulfix of course wants you to baby your brushes, because that will make them less likely to fail, even if they aren't the best put together. But ones that are without fault (Vulfix made or otherwise) will hold up just fine to swirling and yes even gentle squeezing (I wouldn't wring the brush out daily or anything, but they should last several years even under that abuse.)
 
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