Bevel Setting

[Rschan]

Hello to all,
I got a well broken in DMT600 and planning to set bevel of my Schultz 5/8 . Now my problem is how to use it?
For bevel setting will Back and forth half storks work? ( Just link on a coti ? )

Or else Do I Have to perform X strokes ?

The other question is that If I start Dry and start adding water with dish washing soap Will It be possible reach another notch higher say up to 1.2K?

 

[Wid]

Use it with plain water and x stokes, don't use it dry. Even a worn 600 will cut fast while trying half strokes, be careful if you try it.

 

[superbleu]

Some folks suggest breaking in the lower grit dmt's using the shaft of a screwdriver, or something similar.

 

[Doc226]

Circles, x-strokes is what I use. Wet, never dry.

I don't think you can de-grit a DMT much by adding soap.

 

[shakin_jake]

I pretty much wore my Duo-Sharp 350 trying to lap one of Emmanuel's Cretan hones. it's definitely 750 grit or higher now. that said, I'm sure the 600 flip side isn't 600 anymore either. No biggie, both sides still cut fairly fast and well

@ the OP- Here's what I'd do if you are wanting to use your 600 DMT to correct a bevel. First, make sure your 1 K hone wont cut too fast, 600 grit will cut plenty quick, especially if you have a new unused hone. Personally, if you have a
Shultz, wasn't the bevel corrected before you got it?...has it been around (viontage) and has micro chipping you're wanting to get rid of?, if so, I would think the 600 DMT would be a little too much for that razor. I use my 350/600 DMT to correct the bevels on Gold Dollars where I want to remove a lot of metal fast. I can't imagine you need a 600 DMT to correct the bevels on a vintage Solingen razor...unless it's been through the mill

now let's say you have a 1 K hone and you are wanting to correct the bevels. I wouldn't start unless you have at least a 10X loupe so you can guage progress as you go along. here's what I do...if the bevels are micro chipped badly, or if I'm in a hurry, than I'll use a 1 K hone to correct the bevels, otherwise with a lightly micro chipped bevel, one of your fast cutting coticules will get the job done, but if I'm in a hurry, I'll use my Chosera 1 K (or mebbe the Cretan) to remove light micro chipping, and here's how I do it

i make sure the stone is wet and more often than not I'll raise a little slurry. Then I do 15 half strokes each side 2 sets then look at the bevels with the loupe to see where I'm at. I like using 1/2 strokes as it is a faster way to get going. I save x strokes for the end and do 10 light x strokes before doing the arm hair shave test, all on a wet hone, never dry

usually after I do the first sets using 1/2 strokes the bevels will reveal what needs to be done next (looking through my loupe). Seldom do I get razors where the spines are straight and after this first skin removal, am I ever able to continue using x strokes...usually I'll have to work on the toe or a heel on one or both of the sides but before you take a razor to a fresh 600 grit DMT, make sure it really needs to go there first or else you may remove metal you wish you hadn't. Don't get me wrong, I've had to correct bevels on some really ugly razors and the 600 DMT was a good choice. Just make sure a 1 K isn't the better choice before proceeding. others may have better and different ideas


Best,


Jake
Reddick Fla.

 

[Rschan]

OK Guys I'm almost done,
First the hone is well used by the gent owned it previously for over 100's of razors and its very well worn.
I forgot to tell you there is a micro sized chip on the edge.
So I started with water using X strokes and checked the edge in every 05 strokes. It still removes metal very fast and water turned grey after about 15-20 strokes. As soon as it happened razor and the hone washed with running water.
And the chip !!!! Its still there and mind you I'm using very light (0.) pressure.
Then I started half strokes using little pressure in sets of 5 strokes.
In 30-40 sets now I have almost reached there the chip is almost gone and the bevel is there , I did not do any HHT but just tried my right cheek its seems ok.
My assumption is contrary to what Doc suggested by adding some medium between the razor and the hone one can de grit a DMT Or may be the hone is too much worn.

Now I'm planning to go to the coti. Do I have to start with the a thick milky slurry??

 

[Obiwan]

A drop or two of dish soap on a wet dmt helps with the feel while honing (which I prefer better). I'm not sure it's raising the grit though. That may be more a product of it previous use I have dmts 220, 325, 600 and 1200 with varied degrees of use. They do change over time IMO.

As far as slurry, I'd say you should start thicker and use some half strokes and/or circles to help bridge the gap to be safe.

Good luck and keep us posted.

 

[Seraphim]

To refine the grit you have to use lather, or foamed up dish soap. Soap alone aids slickness and glide, but it's the bubbles that allow the razor to "float" over the hone and give a more refined edge.

 

[Rschan]

I'm getting great advice here thanks guys.

But I still wonder why it took so long for the DMT 600 to remove that teeeny weeeny chip even with half strokes?

 

[Rschan]

OK.
Yesterday I got a flu so while staying at home I thought Why not finish the razor . Normally I do not like the unicot method. Mostly I do not like using tapes. So I watched some vids of Gary and Bart (a big Thank you to them). Since the bevel was set earlier on the DMT I need not worry about that. But still I started with a milky slurry and proceeded adding one drop of water when the slurry starts to dry. 1 st I did half strokes and then X strokes when finishing. I did not performed any HHT but went with the gut feeling. And today I made my 1 st shave with it and then only I understood the smooth and forgiving coti edge. Wow Wonderful
Honing your own razor gives much satisfaction. So there it is and I might not reach there in my next attempt still this is a great motivator.

By the way my coti is grey in color and having Red or brown pin head sized dots all over. My camera do not give such a good pic can you at least guess what type is it?

Are there any other types of coties that specifically considered as great finishes?

Can I exceed the results of this stone? (I have a tras Arki still to be used)