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When Did Friodur Quality Turn for The Worse?

Recently, I got more interested in stainless steel straight razors and almost naturally stumbled across posts about Friodurs.

Most comments were positive, but one comment stood out where someone who hones professionally was quoted as saying that he does not touch Friodurs.

I believe that stainless razors don't need to be inferior; I have two near identical Austs, one carbon steel and one stainless, and I am hard pressed to tell the difference when shaving.

Several month back, I found a new old stock a 5/8 Friodur and it works like a charm. Easy to hone and fun to shave with.

On a more recent flight to Vienna, Austria, I visited a shop that specializes in knifes and razors and bought an unused 6/8 Friodur and this one seems worlds apart from my earlier one. Shaves were mediocre and the razor did not take well to my honing attempts.

To equal the playing field, I had them both sharpened by a renown straight razor specialist, who commented in an e-mail that newer Friodurs neither hone well, nor shave well.
After both razors came back, I shaved this morning with the newer one and the result was average at best.

If the old ones were great and the new ones are dubious; at about what time did Friodurs loose their attractiveness?

Straight shavers often talk about Friodurs as one (generally desirable) group of SS straight razors, but maybe we need to differentiate.

But then again, to a lesser degree that may apply to many long-established straight razor names.
 
I'm not sure about when, but as for why, I would imagine it was for the same reason Filarmonica's went bad. The original manufacturer, the one who started the company, passed away and left his company to his children who didn't have the same knowledge and skill as their father.
 
I'm not sure about when, but as for why, I would imagine it was for the same reason Filarmonica's went bad. The original manufacturer, the one who started the company, passed away and left his company to his children who didn't have the same knowledge and skill as their father.

Henckels-Zwilling is still in business and continues to turn out quality kitchen knives, all types of scissors and more, but I wonder whether the Company started cutting corners with the straight razor product line (which was always only a minor part of their business), when demand for straight razors slowed down.
Just a speculation, of course, and I hope someone has more information on this.
 
I'd say the "renown honer" is the one who doesn't hone well, not the newer Friodurs....

Probably tries to sharpen modern steel by rubbing it on a rock and wonders why things are t going as planned...
 
Henckels-Zwilling is still in business and continues to turn out quality kitchen knives, all types of scissors and more, but I wonder whether the Company started cutting corners with the straight razor product line (which was always only a minor part of their business), when demand for straight razors slowed down.
Just a speculation, of course, and I hope someone has more information on this.

Could be, especially since I'd imagine making a high-quality straight razor is more difficult than making a high-quality kitchen knife, since the edge needs to be significantly narrower.
 
I wasn't aware there were any new Friodur razor blanks. I know Henckels still makes a carbon razor (TWIN Beauty?), but in my limited reading, I hadn't seen anything about newer Friodurs. I am, by no means, very knowledgeable though.

FWIW, I recently purchased a new 8/8 Friodur, that was recently ground from old blanks, and it both hones and shaves like a dream. I honed it on a Coti, and the shaves off it are really smooth from two passes (WTG/ATG), for me.
 
One razor does not make all new friodurs bad.... The ones that john Crowley sell at the shave shop are incredible shavers.... Shave just like my filarmonica jmp doble temple.... You probably got a dud....
 
I'd say the "renown honer" is the one who doesn't hone well, not the newer Friodurs....

Probably tries to sharpen modern steel by rubbing it on a rock and wonders why things are t going as planned...

The renown honer has "straight", "razor" and "designs" in the name of his company and runs the business with a guy called Don.

He has also produced quite a few You Tube videos that usually start with; "Hi, this is Lynn from..."


Got it??
 
One razor does not make all new friodurs bad.... The ones that john Crowley sell at the shave shop are incredible shavers.... Shave just like my filarmonica jmp doble temple.... You probably got a dud....


Yes, I am confident these are the older ones.

Would be interesting to know how to separate the chaff from the wheat when searching for Friodurs.
 
I too have heard the same thing about the new production Friodurs, although not from the same source.

You can see photos of the new current production ones online as being for sale in retail shops. Anything other than those, so any of the older ones, should be great.
 
What model number and some pics?

Will try to post when I get back to base,
I am currently on a trip away from home and will only be back tomorrow evening.

Unlike my older Friodur, the newer Friodur has no model number, which may indicate a fairly late production date.

Came in a "Twin Beauty - Zwilling J.A. Henckels" metal coffin that looks distinctly 70's in design.

http://www.shavingshop.com/products/Henckels 3.jpg

To give you a quick idea, razor and case look pretty like this Henckels 5/8 carbon straight razor that John Crowley is selling http://www.shavingshop.com/products/Henckels 2.jpg, except that mine is a 6/8, stainless steel, and therefore has "Friodur" written on the scales.



Pictures courtesy John Crowley, shavingshop.com
 
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I too have heard the same thing about the new production Friodurs, although not from the same source.

You can see photos of the new current production ones online as being for sale in retail shops. Anything other than those, so any of the older ones, should be great.


Heespharm's post just gave me an idea, when he asked about the model number.

The under-performer doesn't have one, so that might be one key to discriminate between desirable and undesirable Friodurs.

Can't tell whether the John Crowley ones have model numbers.
If they had, that might help validate my theory.
 
The renown honer has "straight", "razor" and "designs" in the name of his company and runs the business with a guy called Don.

He has also produced quite a few You Tube videos that usually start with; "Hi, this is Lynn from..."


Got it??

If a "professional honer" has to pick and choose what type of razor he/she will hone, I'd mark that up as strike one against them.

If a "professional honer" runs a razor "forum" that is more akin to a infomercial for their commercial interests in said razors, that's strike two against them.

If that "forum" run by a "professional honer" makes blanket statements such as, oh, let's just make something up here, something like "Gold Dollar razors are no good", going so far as to ban open discussion of them, even though 95% of the guys who actually try them find to be just fine, that would cause me to suspect that perhaps they didn't like the idea of guys being able to buy a razor for 1/5 of what that pro charges for a hone job alone, thus enabling that guy to learn to hone his own razors, and realize they didn't have to spend >$100 for a beginner razor at a site with designs for straight razors, well...call me crazy, but I'd give that as his third strike.


:w00t:


P.S.- I am not a professional honer (I encourage guys to hone their own, vis-a-vis lapping film), but I have honed many razors, including such "untouchables" as the Selective Pakstani brand, The Krystal Edge (post #47 onwards), a ceramic razor, tungsten carbide, hundreds of Gold Dollars, and many stainless razors.

A "professional honer" may not want to spend the extra few minutes it may take to really get a particular razor dialed in, when it would be simpler and more profitable to bang out another 10 razors in the next hour at $20 a pop.
 
A "professional honer" may not want to spend the extra few minutes it may take to really get a particular razor dialed in, when it would be simpler and more profitable to bang out another 10 razors in the next hour at $20 a pop.

I think stainless razors do take a little more time and effort to hone. For what its worth
 
I think stainless razors do take a little more time and effort to hone. For what its worth

Personally, I have never found that to be the case. Perhaps if someone is using a natural stone, that may be the case when honing stainless? I don't know, I haven't tried that combo.
 
One razor does not make all new friodurs bad.... The ones that john Crowley sell at the shave shop are incredible shavers.... Shave just like my filarmonica jmp doble temple.... You probably got a dud....

This is also possible. Could have been not up to par off the line... faulty tempering or the like.
 
If a "professional honer" has to pick and choose what type of razor he/she will hone, I'd mark that up as strike one against them.

To clarify:

1. The professional honer who was quoted to say that he doesn't touch Friodurs, was obviously not the one I sent my two Friodurs to.

"One comment stood out where someone who hones professionally was quoted as saying that he does not touch Friodurs" was the one negative post I had mentioned that stood out from the many positive ones.

2. The professional honer I did send my Friodurs to mentioned in the e-mail where he acknowledged that they had arrived that new Friodurs don't shave or hone well.


So, I guess the "Strike One" against the honer should go to a different honer?
 
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OK, fair enough...

two strikes, one ball.



However, the games not over yet:here comes a fastball low and over the outside corner:

Do we really want to trust a "professional honer" who has obvioulsy not shaved his upper lip in years?


STEEEEEEERIKE THREE!!!!!!! He's OUT!

 
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