So, I've recently got a few ebay specials that I need to hone out chips from, but currently own no hones. I need to be money conscious, so want to buy as few as possible (combination stones seem a winner) I was thinking either the Naniwa 220/1k for removing chips and bevel setting then moving to a belgian blue for mid and then a c12k? any thoughts?
What hones to get?
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Id recommend these:
Norton:
220/1000
4000/8000
Then a finisher....coticule, escher, chinese 12k etc
You should be using something between bbw and 12k stone, that gap is pretty big.
Norton:
220/1000
4000/8000
Then a finisher....coticule, escher, chinese 12k etc
You should be using something between bbw and 12k stone, that gap is pretty big.
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so...where does the bbw usually lie in a rough sense on the grit scale? Hones are pricey 
I guess it really depends on how much do you really want to spend on a beginning set of hones?
You can get an inexpensive setup by using the King combo hones ( 1k/6k) with a Chinese 12k to finish it off. You could get the Norton combos or any hone you want if you have the money
You can get an inexpensive setup by using the King combo hones ( 1k/6k) with a Chinese 12k to finish it off. You could get the Norton combos or any hone you want if you have the money
Bbw sharpens in a 5k range or so, but I really don't like grit rating belgian stones.
Another method for honing is get a dmt 1200, a bbw, and a coticule and you're all set...
Oh get a dmt 325 hone for lapping too.
Another method for honing is get a dmt 1200, a bbw, and a coticule and you're all set...
Oh get a dmt 325 hone for lapping too.
I'd agree with this, bang for your buck.
DMT 600/1200 duosharp and a coticule. All you need and probably the cheapest route.
Coticules can take awhile to learn though, but you can jump on them after your bevel setter and take them all the way to finishing.
Hell, you can even set bevels on the coti, but would probably take awhile to hone out chips.
Coticules can take awhile to learn though, but you can jump on them after your bevel setter and take them all the way to finishing.
Hell, you can even set bevels on the coti, but would probably take awhile to hone out chips.
Do you have to lap the DMT? Also, can the DMT 600 side be used to lap the coticule? Thanks.
DMTs are diamond plates so they don't need to be lapped, no.
I've only used 325 DMT grit to lap a stone...I know if you use the 1200 it contaminates the coticule.
I've only used 325 DMT grit to lap a stone...I know if you use the 1200 it contaminates the coticule.
I found no issue with my DMT 1200. Is this the diasharp or duosharp you are talking about?
It is the interrupted version, no problems setting bevels with it.
My vote would be DMT (for bevel repair and lapping) and a coti. The coti really is a do-it-all kind of stone.
I've done a tremendous amount of bevel work with one, if you've got patience it's certainly doable. If you aren't honing for profit but fun, even better.
I'm not a fan of synthetics, and i've never even seen a Norton, but the synthetics I do have, I could live without.
I spent hundreds on stones, and the one I always reach for are my coti's. I should have saved my money and just gotten a coti to begin with. Now I've got a bunch of stones I don't like, cost me an arm and a leg, and I can't, in good conscience, sell to a brother here. Just my 2¢.
I've done a tremendous amount of bevel work with one, if you've got patience it's certainly doable. If you aren't honing for profit but fun, even better.
I'm not a fan of synthetics, and i've never even seen a Norton, but the synthetics I do have, I could live without.
I spent hundreds on stones, and the one I always reach for are my coti's. I should have saved my money and just gotten a coti to begin with. Now I've got a bunch of stones I don't like, cost me an arm and a leg, and I can't, in good conscience, sell to a brother here. Just my 2¢.
Interesting - My DMTs are the interrupted versions and I've seen no contamination in any of my hones. I lap them all with them and have found no issues.
A king 1k/6k, new thuringian water hone, chinese 12k and some pastes has given me a decent budget starter kit, I think. For not much cash I can remove chips on ebay specials and have a variety of different finishes. I'd rather have a few different finishes for my blades and spend a little more time setting bevels or removing chips for the odd ebay special.
I've had decent shaves from ebay razors by setting the bevel on the king 1k, polishing on the 6k and finishing with pastes on balsa. That's the cheapest way I can think of to go from ebay special to shaver.
I've had decent shaves from ebay razors by setting the bevel on the king 1k, polishing on the 6k and finishing with pastes on balsa. That's the cheapest way I can think of to go from ebay special to shaver.
More to come later... But a BBW is sufficient*
*assuming it's a good one
uggg..the suspense is killing me on this study. Any timeframe for when the results will be known?
I thought all bbw stones were the same? 
I thought all bbw stones were the same?
They're not. They are pretty consistent, but BBW strata are much thicker than coticule strata. As it gets further away from the coticule strata, BBW can become unfit for use. However, those that are currently sold as whetstones are fairly consistent it seems. Sometimes unfit BBW was used as coticule backing in vintage stones because it was a cheap, readily available medium to use for support. Vintage combination stones shouldn't be a problem.
My comment on being a good one was a disclaimer ruling out those that are completely unfit for use.
Woodash and Bart can shed more light on this than me...
Joe, the study is wrapping up soon, analysis and recommendations for use will be forthcoming
I thought all bbw stones were the same?
That's what I thought until I began using the dilucot with the BBW a few weeks ago. EDIT: yeah what ^ said
For the intrepid soul, a bit of reading and digging will turn up a hint or two...
