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Trumper, re-formulation SOLVED!

OldSaw

The wife's investment
Since the most recent re-formulation of Geo F. Trumper shave soaps (approximately 2-3 years ago?) there have been a lot of us who have made negative observations on the usability/latherability of their product. Obviously there are those that like it very much, but for many of us who have either used the older formulations or similarly priced premium products, especially tallow based soaps, we have made a somewhat scathing review of the GFT soaps.

From what I have observed with my own puck of GFT violets and what others have confirmed is that the the soap just doesn't lather very well and even when a lather is produced it is sub par and frequently an over aerated bubbly mess that doesn't offer much protection, not to mention very little in the way of luxury. Since it is a luxury soap after-all, it should produce luxurious results.

I believe the biggest problem with the soap is that loading the brush is the weak link, especially with a floppy brush, since it appears to be a rather hard soap. Another problem is somewhat of an illusion or a false sense of loading as the soap appears to lather very quickly by making lots of bubbles, however, it is not a very useful lather and evaporates rather quickly. Well, I think I have finally solved the problem and have been able to reproduce luxurious results several times using the following technique.

This is not entirely my unique finding, but more of a page stolen from the Williams lathering playbook.

  1. The first thing I do is soften the soap by soaking the entire puck and the mug in hot water. I place my brush in the mug and set it in the sink while I fill the mug to overflowing and let the sink fill to the same level as the brim of the mug.
  2. Let it soak for for a few minutes.
  3. Pick up the mug and pour off the water.
  4. Give brush a couple of light shakes, but don't shake it out completely. I've been using an Omega 10049 boar brush rather than a badger.
  5. Start loading brush and building lather directly on the puck. Really work the brush against the soap, being careful not to over-work your brush.
  6. Begin face lathering and continue to build lather on the puck by alternating back and forth using an instinctive approach, adding water by the drop only if absolutely necessary.

Results: Very luxurious lather that protects and provides plenty of glide. It is also very warm lather (especially in my case, as I am using a custom made ceramic soap bowl that retains lots of heat from the soaking).

I hope this helps and look forward to seeing if others who have had problems find this useful.
 
Sounds like I need to transfer the puck from the bowl to a mug to give this a shot. Its not like I have anything to lose so I'll give her a rip later on.
 
Seems like a lot of effort to obtain a "luxurious lather". My pre-2009 GFT Rose puck gives up three passes worth of luxurious lather with 10-15 seconds of loading, no pre-soak, no back and forth transfers.
 
I have been hot water soaking my puck of Trumpers Rose for the past couple of months. It has produced a decent lather, esp when I hit it with my horsehair brush, but truth be told - that is waaayyy to much effort to produce a decent lather from a premium priced product.

For less money and effort, I can have tons of thick protective lather from other products.
 

OldSaw

The wife's investment
Seems like a lot of effort to obtain a "luxurious lather". My pre-2009 GFT Rose puck gives up three passes worth of luxurious lather with 10-15 seconds of loading, no pre-soak, no back and forth transfers.

I have been hot water soaking my puck of Trumpers Rose for the past couple of months. It has produced a decent lather, esp when I hit it with my horsehair brush, but truth be told - that is waaayyy to much effort to produce a decent lather from a premium priced product.

For less money and effort, I can have tons of thick protective lather from other products.

You both are absolutely right, I agree with you 100%. However, if someone already has one of these soaps and wants to use it up, this is a solution that is working for me.
 
I did two test lathers with my Sandalwood Trumpers following your advice. It was definitely an improved lather, both in the bowl and on my hand, but I'm still not sure that it is up to par. I will try shaving with it on Christmas morning since that will be a day spent at home with the family (as opposed to the recent traveling) and report back.
 
I use a similar approach when lathering my TOBS sandalwood soap. In the end you do get a thick creamy lather, but I just can't make the quantity of lather I desire. I like my lather fairly thick and dense so that may be a factor. I usually do the following:

1. Soak brush and top of the soap for about 2-3 minutes while apply my proraso pre/post and let it sink in.
2. Gently squeeze out all the excess water from the brush, and top of soap.
3. Load 26" knot brush (huge dense brush) up for a solid 1-1.5 minutes.
4. Start working the lather in my bowl.

The result is great lather, good for only 3 passes. My brush is a 26" Shavemac and using other products, is able to create lather for far more passes. As a result I'm probably going to stick with tallow soaps and more highly rated veggie soaps in the future.
 

OldSaw

The wife's investment
I did two test lathers with my Sandalwood Trumpers following your advice. It was definitely an improved lather, both in the bowl and on my hand, but I'm still not sure that it is up to par. I will try shaving with it on Christmas morning since that will be a day spent at home with the family (as opposed to the recent traveling) and report back.

Well, I'm glad to see that it has improved a bit anyway. I doubt that I will replace mine when it is used up, but I'm pleased with the improved result when I have the time to play with it (it also takes me a bit more time than lathering something like Tabac).
 
I just used a recent vintage puck of Rose from start to finish, and my lathering method is the same as yours, Dennis. I got really nice, slick lathers from the soap, and will get it again. I also have a couple of pucks of Violet as well, and look forward to them coming up in the rotation.
 
Well, I'm glad to see that it has improved a bit anyway. I doubt that I will replace mine when it is used up, but I'm pleased with the improved result when I have the time to play with it (it also takes me a bit more time than lathering something like Tabac).

I definitely will not buy any more Trumper soaps, their creams are very nice though. Thank you for sharing your technique with us.
 

Isaac

B&B Tease-in-Residence
Ill have to give this a go. I have Rose and Coconut, but never use it due to disappearing lather.
 
My method for GFT Violet soap is this:
  1. Soak brush in water, take shower.
  2. Apply pre-shave, shake out brush.
  3. Attempt lather.
  4. Curse puck and all persons associated with the manufacturer.
  5. Attempt lather with boar brush.
  6. Repeat step 4.
  7. Remove shower brush head from handle, attach to orbital sander, attempt lather.
  8. Repeat step 4.
  9. Set puck aside, use cream of Musgo instead.
  10. Enjoy shave
 

OldSaw

The wife's investment
My method for GFT Violet soap is this:
  1. Soak brush in water, take shower.
  2. Apply pre-shave, shake out brush.
  3. Attempt lather.
  4. Curse puck and all persons associated with the manufacturer.
  5. Attempt lather with boar brush.
  6. Repeat step 4.
  7. Remove shower brush head from handle, attach to orbital sander, attempt lather.
  8. Repeat step 4.
  9. Set puck aside, use cream of Musgo instead.
  10. Enjoy shave

:lol: That was my former method.
 
Sounds good.
Personally I've never had a problem with the new Trumper's formula.
I make sure I load the brush up lots.
I do agree that you get that kind of "teaser lather" at first that falls flat quickly.
Use enough product and you're fine.

Actually if you treat it more like MWF it works better.
MWF is a good example of soap that needs a lot of product to work well.
 
I haven't had trouble with my Trumper's Rose that I bought early this year, but I cover all my soaps with hot water while I'm washing up and soaking the brush. I also find that dripping a few drips of water directly on the puck during loading works better with all soaps than dipping the tips of the brush. Lately I've been using a puck of Ogallala in a deep mug and I've been filling the mug with hot water and soaking the brush on top of the soap. The lather's been so good that I may move one of my hard soaps to the mug and do the same with it when the Ogallala is gone.
 
You both are absolutely right, I agree with you 100%. However, if someone already has one of these soaps and wants to use it up, this is a solution that is working for me.

Excellent point. I'm sure people with dud GFT pucks will really appreciate your method.

I feel silly for posting my good GFT Rose puck on the BST...lucky it didn't sell!
 
This is the most bizarre thread ever.....

I love Trumpers soap. I have absolutely no problem making a great lather, and getting a great shave. I don't understand the Trumper hate.

However I have never tried it with a soft brush. I'm a boar man, but I don't remember having any problems making a great lather with my cheapo badger brush.
 
This is the most bizarre thread ever.....

I love Trumpers soap. I have absolutely no problem making a great lather, and getting a great shave. I don't understand the Trumper hate.

However I have never tried it with a soft brush. I'm a boar man, but I don't remember having any problems making a great lather with my cheapo badger brush.

It's widely known they changed their formula after ~2010 which is difficult to lather. There are too many reports on various forums for it to be related to "technique" or coincidence.

There is a big thread on B&B that even discusses the batch numbers which indicate whether the puck will perform or not.
 
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