Some Creed News

[Evbo]

Greetings, Gents --

I stopped into the Creed Boutique earlier today and had a very interesting conversation with Luis Cavallo, the store's manager. This might be old news to some of you but he told me that the following fragrances are slated to be discontinued:

48 Vetiver
Citrus Bigarade
Royal Delight
Green Valley
Selection Verte

Selection Verte is, apparently, already dead. I specifically asked him about Royal Scottish Lavender & Royal English Leather and was told that neither of them will be discontinued. Drag about the others though, especially SV (which was very nice indeed) & 48 Vetiver (which I like much more than Orig. Vetiver).

When I asked for the reasoning behind these decisions, he told me that whatever European group it is that monitors perfume ingredients in the industry is pushing for the use of more synthetics, likely because of allergic reactions to some key components. The company line is that Creed doesn't want to reformulate this way -- they'd rather kill off the fragrance. Personally, I think they probably just weren't selling very well. Despite their marketing, I don't think Creed has any problem using synthetics. Anyway, consider yourselves warned.

 

[professorchaos]

Thank goodness... I was expecting to see REL on your list.

How is it that unpasteurized cheese* is acceptable, but some supranational government body of appointed paper-pushers has been empowered to disembowel the fragrance industry?

*Don't mistake my meaning, I do like unpasteurized cheese and the stinkier the better.

 

[blantyre]

How is it that unpasteurized cheese* is acceptable, but some supranational government body of appointed paper-pushers has been empowered to disembowel the fragrance industry?

That's easy to answer: the agriculture lobby has lots of money and hence influence over EU policy, the fragrance industry doesn't and so it gets all the left over bureaucrats on its back.

 

[Evbo]

Thank goodness... I was expecting to see REL on your list.

I asked specifically about that fragrance for your benefit, Henry.

How is it that unpasteurized cheese* is acceptable, but some supranational government body of appointed paper-pushers has been empowered to disembowel the fragrance industry?

*Don't mistake my meaning, I do like unpasteurized cheese and the stinkier the better.

I realize I'm only speaking for myself here, but ... generally speaking, one doesn't usually rub unpasteurized cheese all over one's person prior to leaving the house. However, if most folks were wont to do that it's probably a safe bet that said appointed paper-pushers would be disemboweling the stinky cheese industry, too.

 

[Isaac]

Makes me kinda sad to hear the '48 is being discontinued. I really enjoy that scent. I think ill put some on today in rememberence.

 

[Obsessed]

I stopped into the Creed Boutique earlier today and had a very interesting conversation with Luis Cavallo, the store's manager. This might be old news to some of you but he told me that the following fragrances are slated to be discontinued:

48 Vetiver
Citrus Bigarade
Royal Delight
Green Valley
Selection Verte
. . .
When I asked for the reasoning behind these decisions, he told me that whatever European group it is that monitors perfume ingredients in the industry is pushing for the use of more synthetics, likely because of allergic reactions to some key components. The company line is that Creed doesn't want to reformulate this way -- they'd rather kill off the fragrance. Personally, I think they probably just weren't selling very well.

Thanks for posting this. I was in there several weeks ago and one of the other guys at the store told me about it, but they had apparently just gotten word and he couldn't remember all the ones that were disappearing.

I had the same thought that the scents were just not selling, but I was under the impression that Green Valley was actually somewhat popular.

 

[vertigo12314]

Green Valley is a surprise.

 

[StylinLA]

I supsect Evbo is right...they're just not selling well enough.

They're all fine scents in their own right for sure. I'm a fan of '48 Vetiver. But I can see where it wouldn't be a big seller these days.

Glad to hear about REL and RSL for sure.

 

[professorchaos]

That's easy to answer: the agriculture lobby has lots of money and hence influence over EU policy, the fragrance industry doesn't and so it gets all the left over bureaucrats on its back.

A sad, but accurate assessment of the real motivation. What's the point of having power if you don't exercise it?

I asked specifically about that fragrance for your benefit, Henry.

Thank you!

I realize I'm only speaking for myself here, but ... generally speaking, one doesn't usually rub unpasteurized cheese all over one's person prior to leaving the house. However, if most folks were wont to do that it's probably a safe bet that said appointed paper-pushers would be disemboweling the stinky cheese industry, too.

What else does one do with stinky, unpasteurized cheese?

 

[Featherweight]

When I asked for the reasoning behind these decisions, he told me that whatever European group it is that monitors perfume ingredients in the industry is pushing for the use of more synthetics, likely because of allergic reactions to some key components. Personally, I think they probably just weren't selling very well.

I think you're right. Perfume houses in the EU have been using lobbyists as an excuse for marketing decisions, but the law isn't as bad as it seems. Oakmoss is not outlawed, but rather restricted to very limited quantities per formula. The same applies to other ingredients. There is some pretty scary legislation currently slated for review that would require all fragrances to have their ingredients, down to the chemical components, listed on the package, which some are saying would effectively kill the use of certain natural molecules because their names are far too long to print on something as small as a perfume box. But again, as a graphic designer, I can say that the panic is unwarranted. Unless the law specifies exactly what kind of print must be used in these kinds of listings, companies can easily scale down to micro-sized font and fit the entire periodic table if they wished.






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[ph33nyx]

Excuse my "noobness", but I presume that the 48 Vetiver is different than the Original Vetiver? Is there another bottle?

 

[StylinLA]

^^^^ Yes, there is a difference.

The top bottle in dark green is Original Vetiver, a relatively new Creed (2004?). It's a modern, fresh and soapy vetiver.

The bottom bottle is the Vetiver first released in 1948- and nicknamed Vetiver '48 or Vetiver 1948. It's much more of an old school sort of scent with ginger, cedar, vetiver and ambergris. Overall it's often called mineralic in scent.

What gets confusing is that the newer release is called "Original" The consensus from other discussions of this naming seem to come down that they called it original to distinguish as a fresh and original take on vetiver- not to imply it was their first vetiver. It confused me for quite awhile.

Vetiver '48 is a much more traditional, old school wet shaver kind of manly scent, and sadly I can see where the "average" consumer of male frags is going to pass on it.

Original Vetiver is a very nice scent in its own right. I got a small bottle recently, and other than some longevity problems, I find it a very refreshing scent. It's just not as elegant and dressy as '48 Vetiver.

They are both scents worth owning imo. But it depends on what you're looking for in a scent. Original Vetiver is to me modern and casual.

Vetiver '48 is dressy and old school. It's also very "Creed-ish" if you're familiar with any of their older scents. Their use of ambergris is kind a thread that runs through a lot of their stuff and gives many of them a familiar "feel."

 

[Rudy Vey]

Greetings, Gents --

I stopped into the Creed Boutique earlier today and had a very interesting conversation with Luis Cavallo, the store's manager. This might be old news to some of you but he told me that the following fragrances are slated to be discontinued:

48 Vetiver
Citrus Bigarade
Royal Delight
Green Valley
Selection Verte

Selection Verte is, apparently, already dead. I specifically asked him about Royal Scottish Lavender & Royal English Leather and was told that neither of them will be discontinued. Drag about the others though, especially SV (which was very nice indeed) & 48 Vetiver (which I like much more than Orig. Vetiver).

When I asked for the reasoning behind these decisions, he told me that whatever European group it is that monitors perfume ingredients in the industry is pushing for the use of more synthetics, likely because of allergic reactions to some key components. The company line is that Creed doesn't want to reformulate this way -- they'd rather kill off the fragrance. Personally, I think they probably just weren't selling very well. Despite their marketing, I don't think Creed has any problem using synthetics. Anyway, consider yourselves warned.

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