I recently ordered a Semogue 610 from fellow member Techichi and have to say it's a great brush. He sells them for $22 shipped and I received mine in two days so that's superb service. I use various badgers and like them well enough but have been wanting to try something stiffer that has more scritch to it and the 610 fits this criteria nicelyhttp://badgerandblade.com/vb/member.php/48798-Techichi. I've used the 610 to whip up lather in my scuttle as well as straight face lathering and it did well in both but I think face lathering will be its future primary use as it really shined here.