pictures from alex

[gary haywood]

thought you guys would like to see some images.. I don't think alex from japanblades would mind me showing these images, the pictures are of my puma special. first ones my original edge on a coticule dilucot method..the other s are rehoned by alex . the razor is in the post for me to try........ the nakayama 4 77 edge does smooth gary

 

[Brooksie967]

AND how did that bad boy shave??!?!

 

[gary haywood]

the razor is in the post? the nakayama is finished with slurry only no water , It will be interesting to see if it has improved coticule edge , i'll let you no what I think?gary

 

[life2short1971]

I bet it shaves like a million bucks Gary!

 

[BakerAndBadger]

To be honest Gary your coti edge doesn't look that far off Alx's edge. Enjoy it, I'm sure it'll scythe through the stubble but will it be more aggressive?

 

[gary haywood]

that's the problem I have had with the last 4 j nats they shave well but feel more aggressive and not as buttery... that's why I took alex up on is offer to see how this one goes

 

[BakerAndBadger]

that's the problem I have had with the last 4 j nats they shave well but feel more aggressive and not as buttery... that's why I took alex up on is offer to see how this one goes

I understand completely. I started out on cotis and since January have gotten into jnats - mostly because of the hype I guess. So for the last few months I've been neglecting my cotis - until very recently when I didn't have time for a full jnat progression so honed on a la grise bout that I particularly enjoy the shape and feel of. Well I got my usual nice coti edge and what a contrast comfort wise - I know I could shave ATG every day with a coti edge but probably not with one of my jnat edges. I need to know the secret of how to get them sharper and smooth from a jnat now.

 

[gary haywood]

same here , i'm just in the process of sussing them out to me they have a smooth but very different feel, like a kind of dry smooth feel. its hard to explain but j nats just not leaving me the buttery nesss of coticule.. well I will soon find out with my puma fingers crossed .

 

[Thomas Martin]

Hm. Why did this Alex guy deem necessary to put your coti edge to a 1000K stone? Was the bevel not correctly set?

 

[SliceOfLife]

Probably just to guarantee that he wasn't just playing off the coticule edge with minimal use of the jnat? IE, to make it HIS edge, not just a touchup of the original coticule edge?

Or maybe he just wanted to show a 1k picture for comparison?

 

[life2short1971]

It's what Alex always does when you send him a razor to test a stone.

 

[Thomas Martin]

Ok. I see that. It's just that resetting a bevel on a razor where the bevel is already set seems an unnecessary waste of steel to me.

 

[Brooksie967]

I've been shaving ATG every day for almost 5 months with my Jnat edge. You can get there, they're melty smooth!

IMHO the coticule edge looks closer to the suehiro than it does to the nakayama

 

[SliceOfLife]

Preaching to the choir. When I see people recommending you axe edges on everything without bothering to check and see if it's necessary first, I understand where they are coming from, but I still feel it's often gonna be a waste of time and steel.

That said, 1k honing isn't really resetting the bevel. I'd call it more "replacing the bevel". You can take a sharp razor, reduce it to a clean 1k bevel with no evidence of the previous edge in seconds and with relatively little steel removed. Killing the bevel completely, say on a bottle, and then completely rebeveling it is a much more extreme step.


And just to be different, Imma say the Coti edge looks a little bit between the 5k and the Ohira Suita. The edge being closer to the Ohira and the bevel gouging being closer to the 5k with the exception that the 5k pic still shows some 1k gouges that weren't present in the coti pic (obviously).

 

[BakerAndBadger]

And just to be different, Imma say the Coti edge looks a little bit between the 5k and the Ohira Suita. The edge being closer to the Ohira and the bevel gouging being closer to the 5k with the exception that the 5k pic still shows some 1k gouges that weren't present in the coti pic (obviously).

Yeah, I was looking at it on my iPhone on the train this morning and I think you're probably closer!

 

[life2short1971]

Ok. I see that. It's just that resetting a bevel on a razor where the bevel is already set seems an unnecessary waste of steel to me.

When you hone many unknown razors per day you use a system that works since you don't know what the edge is like to start with. When I am sent razors to hone I start at 1K or at least set the bevel again on a fast coticule if its a razor that will hone quickly and easily.

 

[drmatt357]

To me, from looking at every edge I do under a scope, the Nakayama still has deeper cross hatch marks in it from previous progressions that were not fully removed. It needs more work. Gary's coti has a more consistent, even pattern. If I had to guess on how these 2 shaved from looking at the pic, (kinda like looking at an x-ray and attempting to predict someone's symptoms, just a guess), I would say the Nakayama is more keen due to the smoother edge (could still be smoother) yet the coti feels better due to the more consistent scratch pattern.
How close am I Gary?

 

[Brooksie967]

Preaching to the choir. When I see people recommending you axe edges on everything without bothering to check and see if it's necessary first, I understand where they are coming from, but I still feel it's often gonna be a waste of time and steel.

That said, 1k honing isn't really resetting the bevel. I'd call it more "replacing the bevel". You can take a sharp razor, reduce it to a clean 1k bevel with no evidence of the previous edge in seconds and with relatively little steel removed. Killing the bevel completely, say on a bottle, and then completely rebeveling it is a much more extreme step.


And just to be different, Imma say the Coti edge looks a little bit between the 5k and the Ohira Suita. The edge being closer to the Ohira and the bevel gouging being closer to the 5k with the exception that the 5k pic still shows some 1k gouges that weren't present in the coti pic (obviously).

You're not being different, I said it first lol.

 

[gary haywood]

I've been shaving ATG every day for almost 5 months with my Jnat edge. You can get there, they're melty smooth!

IMHO the coticule edge looks closer to the suehiro than it does to the nakayama

every ones skin is different. I couldn't shave every day never mind against the grain every day, I have sensitive skin when it comes to shaving up my neck ...some guys can shave against the grain every day I couldn't...sure I can shave against the grain with crox edge j nat edge 12k naniwa edge every two or three days ,,i'm just liking the coticule edge feel that bit better at the mo, ....after all the hipe about j nats over the last thew years I just had to try another one, but still getting more smoothness from coti edges only slightly but I can feel the difference, keenness isn't the problem just i'm not liking the feel of j nat as much, this is why I sent to alex my puma this is why he totally dulled edge ..if I like the edge I will be buying the j nat from him..i think its great that he does this ..this way I can be confident that the j nat is tops ....

 

[gary haywood]

To me, from looking at every edge I do under a scope, the Nakayama still has deeper cross hatch marks in it from previous progressions that were not fully removed. It needs more work. Gary's coti has a more consistent, even pattern. If I had to guess on how these 2 shaved from looking at the pic, (kinda like looking at an x-ray and attempting to predict someone's symptoms, just a guess), I would say the Nakayama is more keen due to the smoother edge (could still be smoother) yet the coti feels better due to the more consistent scratch pattern.
How close am I Gary?

my razor was also honed on circles and even finished with circles which I must mention on the coticule..matt these pictures always baffle me I realy am not that good at judging performace by pictures. the 1k edge I can see there is a little roughness aparant but after that it all looks similar . here are some more photo's