after some uk based forum members told me some of the large supermarket chains sold personna red blades i got a hold of some, about £1.80 for a ten pack, loaded a blade in a webber bulldog/edwin jagger head combo, whipped up some supermax shave cream and done a three pass shave, very nice smooth shave with these, i use wilkinsons and astra blades, but i think these personnas may just top them, if they perform the same as this first shave i will be getting some more of these.