New PUMA razor's are excellent!

[kingreverent]

Hi,
I bought a new Puma razor which is offered now by the Puma company and must admit that it is an excellent razor.
It's a 6/8 blade with beautiful 'translucent' horn scales.
The blade is very massive and the spine is thick. It closes well right in the middle between the scales.
The best thing is that it came shave ready, and I mean HHT sharp. It needed only some stroping. The shave was haven. The grinder new his job. It's in fact my first brand new razor coming straight from the factory that comes with HHT readyness.
I presume that it is made by the Giesen and Forsthoff company in Solingen, makers of the Timor. It's a real Solingen manufacture and worth every penny.

 

[joshmpdx]

Thanks for posting, it would be great to see a couple of pics!

where did you pick it up, do you mind passing along the vendor?

 

[kingreverent]

Thanks for posting, it would be great to see a couple of pics!

where did you pick it up, do you mind passing along the vendor?

I bought it here:http://www.koordenwinkel.eu/shaving/puma-solid-horn-5-8-c-52-p-1-pr-289.html

The blade is in fact a 6/8 , see the website of Giesen & Forsthoff:
http://www.gf-solingen.de/index.jsf (see under "Echt Horn-Griffe").

The blade bears naturally the Puma emblem in stead of the Timor...

 

[Thebigspendur]

I would imagine its made by either Dovo or maybe Wacker did it. The Timor razors are not made in Germany. They are imported from the East. I thought the new Puma's were made in Germany.

 

[English]

You clearly are enjoying your new razor.

Can I ask what you had before buying the Puma. You are the first to review that blade in any way and I am trying to get a benchmark of what you are comparing it against.

The other thing is does it say "Solingen" on the blade or tang. The only photo's of the blade I have seen are too small to read.

 

[Luc]

That website has sweet razors... Some of them, quite expensive but nice!

 

[TstebinsB]

I would imagine its made by either Dovo or maybe Wacker did it. The Timor razors are not made in Germany. They are imported from the East. I thought the new Puma's were made in Germany.

Are you sure? All the Timor razors I have seen say, "Solingen."

You clearly are enjoying your new razor.

Can I ask what you had before buying the Puma. You are the first to review that blade in any way and I am trying to get a benchmark of what you are comparing it against.

The other thing is does it say "Solingen" on the blade or tang. The only photo's of the blade I have seen are too small to read.

The razors are made in Solingen.

 

[kingreverent]

You clearly are enjoying your new razor.

Can I ask what you had before buying the Puma. You are the first to review that blade in any way and I am trying to get a benchmark of what you are comparing it against.

The other thing is does it say "Solingen" on the blade or tang. The only photo's of the blade I have seen are too small to read.

Well, the "other thing(s)" that I had and still have are: DOVO (Bismarck, Prima Klang (2), Bergischer Löwe, Renaissance, Black Star, Stainless Steel (2) and Tortoise Imitation 6/8; Thiers Issard: Pierre Thiers, Spécial Coiffeur 1937, Silver Wing, and 4 other TI with horn scales branded "Eagle" and "Rooster";

2 WACKERS (one is DORKO -WACKER), 2 ERN, 2 CLAUBERGS, 1 Fritz RAUH.

Hones: Belgian Coticules (Yellow and Blue) 1 vintage combi Coticule Yellow/ Blue, 12K Chinese, Naniwa 12K and Spyderco UF, Norton 4000/8000.

Chromoxide on strop, Diamond paste .50 and .25.

So now you know that I'm able to compare: the quality of this new PUMA is outstanding and I was real surprised. When you hold this razor in your hand it feels very hefty. The spine is very thick but non serated. I like that, it's more a pencil that you hold in your hand and therefore very easy to turn on the strop. Like I said before it was HHT quality the full lenght and the shave was a charm, very quick and smooth.
It compares like a mix of a Wacker (DORKO), the sharpness of a Silverwing TI and the smoothness of a vintage Pierre Thiers.

 

[English]

Never had any TI's. In England you can still find vintage Sheffield Steel blades so I never see the need to spend the asking price of a TI which is the same steel after all. I don't know what they do today to temper their steel but they used to get extra hardness in the blade by using molten lead. The safety aspects stopped that practice in the UK as the fumes are very dangerous, but Thiers managed to get bye somehow, to their great success.

I have had a Wacker, 7/8" and it was a smooth shaver by any standards so for me it sets the blade into some perspective. I currently use a Spanish Palmera as my heavy blade and that is of the you have described. Smooth.

There are lots of great blades out there at the moment and thats a big improvement on just a couple of years ago. Then, you had to pre order and wait for DOVO's and TI's if you wanted to buy a comfortable new razor.

Thanks for letting me know and for telling us all.

 

[Barbarosa]

I would imagine its made by either Dovo or maybe Wacker did it. The Timor razors are not made in Germany. They are imported from the East. I thought the new Puma's were made in Germany.

Hi,

All the Timor razors are made in Solingen, Germany not imported from East or West.
They could not put the name Solingen on them otherwise.

Regards,
Alfred

 

[Kees]

You say you bought a 6/8 razor but on their site they only show 5/8 Pumas. How's that?

Hi,
I bought a new Puma razor which is offered now by the Puma company and must admit that it is an excellent razor.
It's a 6/8 blade with beautiful 'translucent' horn scales.
The blade is very massive and the spine is thick. It closes well right in the middle between the scales.
The best thing is that it came shave ready, and I mean HHT sharp. It needed only some stroping. The shave was haven. The grinder new his job. It's in fact my first brand new razor coming straight from the factory that comes with HHT readyness.
I presume that it is made by the Giesen and Forsthoff company in Solingen, makers of the Timor. It's a real Solingen manufacture and worth every penny.

 

[English]

Kees,

They are available, on the German ebay.

 

[kingreverent]

You say you bought a 6/8 razor but on their site they only show 5/8 Pumas. How's that?

See the PUMA website:http://www.pumaknives.de/dispitem_091.php?item_no=936400

The weight of this blade is more than the other razors... and the TIMOR razor with the horn scales on the TIMOR website is 6/8....

 

[huracan]

I bought it here:http://www.koordenwinkel.eu/shaving/puma-solid-horn-5-8-c-52-p-1-pr-289.html

The blade is in fact a 6/8 , see the website of Giesen & Forsthoff:
http://www.gf-solingen.de/index.jsf (see under "Echt Horn-Griffe").

The blade bears naturally the Puma emblem in stead of the Timor...

You say you bought a 6/8 razor but on their site they only show 5/8 Pumas. How's that?

I think kingreverent means that in spite of it saying it is a 5/8, it is in fact a 6/8 blade.

On his second link it's interesting to note that the sizes change when you look at the pages in English or German using their provided translator.

 

[English]

Let me explain why you have a confusion.

You measure from the top of the honing bevel to the edge. That is the blade width as quoted by manufacturers of all razors.

Often from the honing bevel to the top of the spine is an extra 1/8" and that is not a part of the blade width. The extra metal is used to increase the blades weight. Some razors often American made razors have a flat spine and the measurement is almost insignificant.

If you are selling a used razor it is advantageous to measure the full width of razor from the top of the spine to the edge . This measurement hides the honing ware. To measure in such a way is wrong and misleading. I have actually seen threads on shaving forums were some guys try to justify making this deliberate wrong measurement. They do it to falsify the fact that the blade has significant hone were. The problem gets quite significant with the larger width blades. Many blades which have been worn down to a 4/8" width get passed off or advertsised as a 5/8" width. Does it matter, well yes it does to anbody who understands these things.

A brand new 6/8" Boker will actually measure just under 7/8" from the top of the scales to the blades edge. It will actually measure 6/8" from the top of the honing bevel to the edge of the blade.

 

[kingreverent]

Let me explain why you have a confusion.

You measure from the top of the honing bevel to the edge. That is the blade width as quoted by manufacturers of all razors.

Often from the honing bevel to the top of the spine is an extra 1/8" and that is not a part of the blade width. The extra metal is used to increase the blades weight. Some razors often American made razors have a flat spine and the measurement is almost insignificant.

If you are selling a used razor it is advantageous to measure the full width of razor from the top of the spine to the edge . This measurement hides the honing ware. To measure in such a way is wrong and misleading. I have actually seen threads on shaving forums were some guys try to justify making this deliberate wrong measurement. They do it to falsify the fact that the blade has significant hone were. The problem gets quite significant with the larger width blades. Many blades which have been worn down to a 4/8" width get passed off or advertsised as a 5/8" width. Does it matter, well yes it does to anbody who understands these things.

A brand new 6/8" Boker will actually measure just under 7/8" from the top of the scales to the blades edge. It will actually measure 6/8" from the top of the honing bevel to the edge of the blade.

See the description by PUMA of this razor...:http://www.pumaknives.de/dispitem_092.php?item_no=936400 Blade width 6/8 . Blade weight 64 grams against 44 grams of the 5/8 . It's a real 6/8 and a heavy, massive blade.

 

[English]

See the description by PUMA of this razor...:http://www.pumaknives.de/dispitem_092.php?item_no=936400 Blade width 6/8 . Blade weight 64 grams against 44 grams of the 5/8 . It's a real 6/8 and a heavy, massive blade.

Sorry. That's twice I've possibly upset you. By appearing to question your integrity.
Totally unintentional on both occasions. My apologies if you have taken any offence.
I was replying to Huracan's comments and making a point about about how razors should be measured correctly.
I had seen the Puma 5/8" and 6/8" for sale on German E Bay and with different handle options. After your post I now know they shave well.
Again, thanks for sharing.

 

[kingreverent]

Sorry. That's twice I've possibly upset you. By appearing to question your integrity.
Totally unintentional on both occasions. My apologies if you have taken any offence.
I was replying to Huracan's comments and making a point about about how razors should be measured correctly.
I had seen the Puma 5/8" and 6/8" for sale on German E Bay and with different handle options. After your post I now know they shave well.
Again, thanks for sharing.

No offence at all, English. We're here in a forum of connoisseurs of fine things in life and it seems that we don't have any other problem than the width of some blades and we are 'talking' to each other concerning those little things that makes life happier, healthier and wyse.It's fun!

 

[huracan]

And sorry if I myself added to any confusion .

I have never handled nor measured any modern Puma blades, I was just making the observation that on this site: http://www.gf-solingen.de/index.jsf , when you look at the 'open razors' in English, then go to the front page again, but press the german flag on the top right corner and then browse the 'Rasiermesser' again, the same razors are listed not just in a different order but with different sizes than they where described in English.

 

[Leon]

That's interesting.
My ancient 7/8'' Puma 19 is quite the opposite. It's so hollow and lightweight it sings when stropping. I love it.
One hell of a shaver. Probably it's in my top 3 right now. Killer edge.

Hi,
I bought a new Puma razor which is offered now by the Puma company and must admit that it is an excellent razor.
It's a 6/8 blade with beautiful 'translucent' horn scales.
The blade is very massive and the spine is thick. It closes well right in the middle between the scales.