New brush to fit in old cylindrical cases.

[Stinkis]

I am trying restore an old travel set so I can use it when I travel. It's the ordinary setup with the brush and soap in cylindrical containers. Anyone know where I could get a new brush that would fit into one of those cylinders?

- Mikael

 

[SilkySmooth]

You may want to try a travel brush.

For instance

http://www.tayloroldbondst.co.uk/acatalog/Taylor_s_On_line_SHAVING_BRUSHES_3.html

 

[Rudy Vey]

Maybe post a picture and also give us some measurements of the container - makes it easier for recommendations.

 

[philamac]

The Simpson 'Wee Scot' might do the trick.

Edwin Jagger also make brushes designed to go in a purpose built case.

But as already mentioned it all depends on the dimensions of the container you have....

 

[mdunn]

Maybe post a picture and also give us some measurements of the container - makes it easier for recommendations.

we're going to need measurements if we're to tell you what will fit

 

[Stinkis]

Sorry for the lack of information and not posting sooner, my day got really hectic. Anyway, here are some pictures of the container:

I also saw that I forgot to mention that it's from a gillette travel set, here is a picture:

The container has inner diameter of 34mm and height of 80mm.

Any ideas?

-Mikael

 

[Rudy Vey]

Sorry for the lack of information and not posting sooner, my day got really hectic. Anyway, here are some pictures of the container:

I also saw that I forgot to mention that it's from a gillette travel set, here is a picture:

The container has inner diameter of 34mm and height of 80mm.

Any ideas?

-Mikael

Mikael, you may be able to find one that fits in the container. I am not sure if any of the readily available brushes, except the Wee Scot, may fit from the diameter of the tube. The Wee Scot is 31 mm diameter and 67 mm total height, so it may fit well. Or you have brush made to size or make one yourself. There is smaller knots in 18 mm in Silvertip and Pure and 20 mm in Finest available now.

 

[Stinkis]

Mikael, you may be able to find one that fits in the container. I am not sure if any of the readily available brushes, except the Wee Scot, may fit from the diameter of the tube. The Wee Scot is 31 mm diameter and 67 mm total height, so it may fit well. Or you have brush made to size or make one yourself. There is smaller knots in 18 mm in Silvertip and Pure and 20 mm in Finest available now.

Thanks for the tips. The Wee Scot seems like a good brush, anyone know of a vendor that has it? (preferaby a EU one). I am quite new to the difference in brushes and I need something that I can face lather with, would a silvertip be ok or should I get a pure badger one?

-Mikael

 

[fidjit]

Is that the original brush out of the container ???

That's a nice looking little brush.

If it is, clean it up and get it reknotted with an 18mm knot from The Golden Nib.

If you're not confident enough to do it yourself then there's members here that'll be happy to do it for you

 

[Stinkis]

Is that the original brush out of the container ???

That's a nice looking little brush.

If it is, clean it up and get it reknotted with an 18mm knot from The Golden Nib.

If you're not confident enough to do it yourself then there's members here that'll be happy to do it for you

Yes it is the original brush. I never thought about reknotting it, but that sounds like a great idea! From what I understand you just glue it in there with some epoxy glue? That doesn't sound so hard, the problem would be removeing the existing knot without destroying the handle.

Would it be doable by a semi-handy guy with limited amout of tools or should I look for someone to do it for me?

 

[Schwert]

There are several restore threads here that are worth reviewing for tips on old bristle removal etc.

I think a restore of that handle would be a great idea really, and relatively easy. Rudy has done some marvels for folks recently if you don't want to attempt it yourself however.

The Simpson's Wee Scot ought to be available in the EU from someone if you decide to go that route. It only comes in one grade of hair...Best. I bought mine here in the States from Shoebox Shave shop.

I find the Wee a near perfect brush.

 

[Stinkis]

Sitting here thinking about it I came up with a few more questions.

When measuring the height of the knot is it the total height including the "base"? If it is, the 18mm knot would be a perfect fit for this brush.

If I would use it for facelathering what knot should I choose, best badger or silvertip?

 

[Stinkis]

Sitting here thinking about it I came up with a few more questions.

When measuring the height of the knot is it the total height including the "base"? If it is, the 18mm knot would be a perfect fit for this brush.

If I would use it for facelathering what knot should I choose, best badger or silvertip?

 

[fidjit]

When measuring the height of the knot is it the total height including the "base"? If it is, the 18mm knot would be a perfect fit for this brush.

I'm still waiting for my first knot to arrive to restore my butterscotch:
http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php?t=106149

So I'm no expert but I've done heaps of reading here, short story.........

Cut down bristles
Drill, cut, dig out the old knot.
Clean up the hole
Measure the diameter of the hole
Order size UNDER the diameter of the hole.
Choose knot size
For travel brush probably either the 20mm or the 18 ( depending on size of hole )
20mm has height of about 65, 18 has height of 58, so 58 will give you smaller loft.
I'm a face lather and went with 20mm finest, but debated long time about 20 vs 18..
Glue in knot
Put back in cylinder

I'm no handyman and so far things have gone well. Of course I won't be posting pictures when I have a glue covered crooked knot in my "new" brush..

I'm sure some of the more experienced brush restores will chip in and give you MUCH better advice

 

[Schwert]

Sitting here thinking about it I came up with a few more questions.

When measuring the height of the knot is it the total height including the "base"? If it is, the 18mm knot would be a perfect fit for this brush.

If I would use it for facelathering what knot should I choose, best badger or silvertip?

I don't think I understand your question fully.

At Golden Nib Tony offers an 18mm x 54mm Best Badger. This knot would have a base diameter at the glue area of about 18mm and standing on the counter would be about 54mm high.

So depending on the depth the handle has to accept that knot...let's say 10mm you would end up with a 44mm loft.

The depth in the handle controls the minimum loft you could set. You can shim the handle hole to give a longer loft up to a certain point.


If this was my brush, and as a face latherer..I would NOT use a Silver Tip knot but go for Best or Finest..which ever knot would fit.

 

[Stinkis]

I'm still waiting for my first knot to arrive to restore my butterscotch:
http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php?t=106149

So I'm no expert but I've done heaps of reading here, short story.........

Cut down bristles
Drill, cut, dig out the old knot.
Clean up the hole
Measure the diameter of the hole
Order size UNDER the diameter of the hole.
Choose knot size
For travel brush probably either the 20mm or the 18 ( depending on size of hole )
20mm has height of about 65, 18 has height of 58, so 58 will give you smaller loft.
I'm a face lather and went with 20mm finest, but debated long time about 20 vs 18..
Glue in knot
Put back in cylinder

I'm no handyman and so far things have gone well. Of course I won't be posting pictures when I have a glue covered crooked knot in my "new" brush..

I'm sure some of the more experienced brush restores will chip in and give you MUCH better advice

Sounds straight forward enough for me and I guess I will give it a try. I will see what I can do about the brush tomorrow. Then I can check what loft size will fit, think it will be the 18mm though.

I don't think I understand your question fully.

At Golden Nib Tony offers an 18mm x 54mm Best Badger. This knot would have a base diameter at the glue area of about 18mm and standing on the counter would be about 54mm high.

So depending on the depth the handle has to accept that knot...let's say 10mm you would end up with a 44mm loft.

The depth in the handle controls the minimum loft you could set. You can shim the handle hole to give a longer loft up to a certain point.


If this was my brush, and as a face latherer..I would NOT use a Silver Tip knot but go for Best or Finest..which ever knot would fit.

Even if you didn't understand my question you still answered it.

What I wondered was if 54mm was the length of the entire knot or just the hairs.

When It comes to best vs silvertip I guess I just needed someone to tell me that I should go for the best badger, silvertip just seems most fancy. But ofcorse you are right, the best badger is the best choice for this brush.

Thanks for the help guys.

 

[Stinkis]

Ok, so things worked out quite well and the knot came out without much hassle. This is what I ended up with:

The hole measures 19mm so it will be a 18mm knot. The problem I have is that the metal ring is 18mm on the top and 17,5mm on the bottom. Is the base of the knot hard or shoud I be able to cram it down there?

 

[Schwert]

The knots have hard glue bases. I have only used a UK knot and it had a slightly out-of-round hair base that was solid from the glue. His Chinese knots look to have a more solid glue base.

The knots are not all perfectly sized...so ask Tony for one that is around 17mm or you may possibly be able to sand the knot base on the Chinese ones at least to get the slight clearance you will need. Look carefully at his site as he has statements on a few knots being under sized.

I would polish that aluminum ring with some fine metal polish (Flitz) to remove the corrosion on it too before glueing it back in.

This should make a nice brush. Have fun.

 

[Stinkis]

The knots have hard glue bases. I have only used a UK knot and it had a slightly out-of-round hair base that was solid from the glue. His Chinese knots look to have a more solid glue base.

The knots are not all perfectly sized...so ask Tony for one that is around 17mm or you may possibly be able to sand the knot base on the Chinese ones at least to get the slight clearance you will need. Look carefully at his site as he has statements on a few knots being under sized.

I would polish that aluminum ring with some fine metal polish (Flitz) to remove the corrosion on it too before glueing it back in.

This should make a nice brush. Have fun.

Tony is the guy at Golden Nib? Sounds like a good idea, if it still wont fit I think I can cut or bend the bottom of the aluminium ring a little bit to make it a tad wider.

When assembling, should I glue the ring on first or should i drag the base of the knot through the ring first and then glue everything in there?

And what do you guys think about the remaining sticker, keep or remove?

 

[Schwert]

I would likely play the ring idea by ear.....if the knot will go through it easily I would likely glue the ring in first...clean up the inside of excess glue then do the knot....but if it is a tight fit in the ring then the simultaneous glue up would likely work.

You can clean off excess epoxy with rubbing alcohol. Use a Q-Tip with just a tiny bit of alcohol on it so you don't dribble any alchohol into the handle. Make sure the handle is alcohol proof though (test on the inside) first.

I would probably polish that handle and get rid of the remaining sticker.

I forget what Rudy has used to polish plastic....he mentioned it in one of his restoration posts though.

Tony is the Golden Nib guy.