dale jr is the man, but if your following nascar you know he's not going to win the chase. i pick j johnson or m martin.
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Don't count out Denny Hamlin.
Can't stand Mark Martin anymore. I'm pulling for Montoya, but I'd be happy with anyone but Martin.
And, erm, how exactly is Dale Jr "the man?" Quite frankly, if you can't win in Hendrick equipment, you can't win. That team won't be successful until they address the problems behind the wheel.
And, erm, how exactly is Dale Jr "the man?" Quite frankly, if you can't win in Hendrick equipment, you can't win. That team won't be successful until they address the problems behind the wheel.
I'm sorry to be so harsh, but Junior sucks. Like I've been saying about Jr for years: He's a name, nothing else. He's proven that he's not a good driver year after year and now he's out of excuses (Theresa? Nope, she has nothing to do with it now. Crew Chief? Nope, he's been through a dozen and each one was supposed to be "The One". Equipment? Nope, he's getting the best stuff out there). Check out over88ted.com! I sure would like to see what someone like Elliot Sadler would do with all those chances!
Let's go Smoke!
Let's go Smoke!
I'm pulling for Stewart, since Harvick isn't in the chase, but I'd be happy if Martin wins it, only because I've said for nearly 2 decades now if he would have left Jack *** Roush all those years ago, he'd have at least 1 championship, and I would love to see him prove it at his age.
But, as long as it's anybody but Jimmy "I didn't cause that wreck, it's not my fault I ran over that guy, I never do anything wrong" Johnson, or, irrelevant this year, Kyle busch, then I'll be content
But, as long as it's anybody but Jimmy "I didn't cause that wreck, it's not my fault I ran over that guy, I never do anything wrong" Johnson, or, irrelevant this year, Kyle busch, then I'll be content
I root for any of Joe Gibbs' drivers since my favorite driver, Bill Elliott retired from full-time driving.
I wouldn't mind seeing Mark Martin finally win a championship though. I've always liked him and he deserves a trophy...been second in points FOUR times.
I wouldn't mind seeing Mark Martin finally win a championship though. I've always liked him and he deserves a trophy...been second in points FOUR times.
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I think Stewart will end up in the top three. Being old myself I would like to see Martin win. It will be a Hendrick car, they have a third of the field.
Note to the OP.
I am also a Junior fan, can't understand where his problem lies. Perhaps it was that crash at Sonoma a few years back. Never going to be his father but always displayed more talent than we have seen as of late.
Note to the OP.
I am also a Junior fan, can't understand where his problem lies. Perhaps it was that crash at Sonoma a few years back. Never going to be his father but always displayed more talent than we have seen as of late.
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Ugh, Earnhardt was the dirtiest and my least favorite driver of all time.
Yes, Earnhardt Sr. was a pretty dirty racer, but he got it done. The sport needs someone like him in this day and age. All respect to Jimmy Johnson, who's probably going to win his 4th in a row, but do you think Sr. would let him get it as easy as he's had it the last couple of years?
I'd like to see Gordon win his fifth, or Brian Vickers win his first. It would be good for Martin or Stewart, but I'm not exactly pulling for them.
Oh, and who knows WTH is going on with Earnhardt Jr.. Every year Hendrick seems to have one car that is at the back of the pack and three others that are competitive. It happend with Vickers, Kyle Busch, and now Earnhardt. Is his team using the same setup as JJ, JG, and MM or are they doing their own thing? It would seem to me that with the talent he has shown in the past he'd be able to compete at Hendrick.
I'd like to see Gordon win his fifth, or Brian Vickers win his first. It would be good for Martin or Stewart, but I'm not exactly pulling for them.
Oh, and who knows WTH is going on with Earnhardt Jr.. Every year Hendrick seems to have one car that is at the back of the pack and three others that are competitive. It happend with Vickers, Kyle Busch, and now Earnhardt. Is his team using the same setup as JJ, JG, and MM or are they doing their own thing? It would seem to me that with the talent he has shown in the past he'd be able to compete at Hendrick.
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wow that jr criticism was rough, but i understand where your coming from he's not pulling his weight and it's been disappointing for us jr fans, but i know he's going to bounce back. GO JR!!!
p.s. i hope kyle busch blows an engine every race.
p.s. i hope kyle busch blows an engine every race.
you just try to disagree with me all the time, don't you?
Cartridge shaving sucks! There, I threw the gauntlet down!
(I'm kidding you know)
I had a friend in Jr. High that said that same thing, almost verbatim....emphasis on "had" a friend
I really worried about posting my thoughts on Jr, because I know how hardcore his fans are. My uncle's one and we have the same conversation every time we talk. He has been a Jr nut but lately he's been a little more lukewarm towards him. I'm personally pretty indifferent towards him, but when a guy with a following like his is successful it's always good for the sport, and seriously... there've been a lot of empty seats this season (last Sunday was a sad example -- Dover is always a great race! I couldn't really understand all the empty seats. Maybe it was the weather.).
I hope we can all agree on that. I'm definitely a card-carrying member of the Kyle Busch Disappreciation Society.
I'm firmly a "Jr fan because of his dad" person. He rocked the Busch series when he was in it, but Busch and Cup are different worlds. There have been several drivers great in Busch series but never could figure out Cup.
Sorta like great college coaches that couldn't quite do pro.
Nothing demeaning about it, it just is what it is.
However, I do have the distinct pleasure of having been at Jr's first Cup victory, Texas in '00!
Always was a Dale Sr. fan, I don't think he drove particularly dirty, just aggressive
He was out there to win, not get points, not be a sponsor-doll like the drivers of the past decade (really two, starting with camera- and sponsor-friendly Jeffy)
The sport changed when he died. There have been a lot of changes that just come as a sport grows and "evolves", but a major, dare I say "spirit" of the sport died with him. It hasn't been the same since.
And all the major changes since then have only served to lose my interest even more: toyotas, the chase format, name change (which I can deal with, but please, stop referring to championships pre-Sprint as Sprint Cups, they're different things! Chosen by a different format! Differentiate them!),etc.
Sorta like great college coaches that couldn't quite do pro.
Nothing demeaning about it, it just is what it is.
However, I do have the distinct pleasure of having been at Jr's first Cup victory, Texas in '00!
Always was a Dale Sr. fan, I don't think he drove particularly dirty, just aggressive
He was out there to win, not get points, not be a sponsor-doll like the drivers of the past decade (really two, starting with camera- and sponsor-friendly Jeffy)
The sport changed when he died. There have been a lot of changes that just come as a sport grows and "evolves", but a major, dare I say "spirit" of the sport died with him. It hasn't been the same since.
And all the major changes since then have only served to lose my interest even more: toyotas, the chase format, name change (which I can deal with, but please, stop referring to championships pre-Sprint as Sprint Cups, they're different things! Chosen by a different format! Differentiate them!),etc.
Always was a Dale Sr. fan, I don't think he drove particularly dirty, just aggressive
As he often said. He never meant to wreck them "just rattle their cage".
We do, he goes by the name Kyle. For years the younger Busch has reminded me of a younger Sr, though I haven't found many willing to agree with me (but I think those are NASCAR/Jr bandwagoneers that don't really know what he was like in his earlier days).
I think you just hit on a major point there for me. My interest in the sport has really diminished over the past couple of years. I can't quite put a finger on what it is exactly, but part of it is what you said. All of the drivers are pretty much the same and they can't, or don't, talk openly like they used to. Nascar found out how to captalize on every driver and setup and made them all the same. That's probably why I don't really have a clear favorite driver.
I actually like Kyle Busch's attitude. I think part of the problem is that he's about the only person that doesn't give a crap about what he says and who he says it about or how he wins - dare I say like Earnhardt Sr.. People aren't used to that kind of thing these days. He brings back a little fire back to what is otherwise a bland sport most of the time.
There is no way to deny that similarity, however with all the coverage and scrutiny in our era his attitude is so exposed he is just not a likable personality.
It also doesn't help that his brother is out there with similar personality issues.
Guess I am trying to say he is just not easy to like and that distracts people from acknowledging his talent. He does however always appear to be clean shaven.
I've killed men for less than that....
there is no comparison between the two, other than aggressive want_to_win driving. How many drivers don't have that?
One had ability, and was smart.
The other is lucky to be in good equipment, and is an idiot.
