Mr. Mizuochi Ryōichi video

[fffeco]

Hi Gents
I couldnt resist,I have to share because so rare to find nice videos on youtube... There is a new video from Mr. Mizuochi.I am a huge Iwasaki fan,so this is a must see.

Thanks!

 

[Herrenberg]

Wow. So many things to take from this video. No wonder the Iwasakis I bought new arrived so shave-ready.

• Stone oriented long side toward sharpener
• Nakayama finisher
• Stone at lap level. I've noticed how much better it is if I do that, either in-hand, or standing over my table
• Nagura. Not soaked, just moistened
• Additional water applied at edge of stone with fingers
• Circles first, then non-rolling X-strokes
• "The edge is too sharp now, so polishing it with diamond paste" (!) (on cloth, and using almost perpendicular strokes)

I think I know what I'll be playing with over the next few weekends. Thanks for the pointer to such great information.

 

[JaggardJ]

The way he is so casual about doing things shows such a level of experience

 

[MasterOfPups]

I like seeing him do even number of strokes on each side. A lot of people say 6 or 7 strokes on the omote to one stroke on the other. I tried that on my first kamisori and all it does is wear down the omote side prematurely. One to one ratio works much better for me.

 

[Sukeroku]

Nice video. It is great to see Mizuochi-san out of the workshop and so smartly dressed.
I will say that the subtitles do leave out some things out, not necessarily key information
but little tidbits that make the vedeo more endearing. For example, when he talks about
the Mikawa nagura stones, he mentions that they are from the birthplace of Tokogawa Ieyasu.

 

[Eastcoast30]

I have a kamisori, purchased from his shop a year ago. That razor is sharp! I have never honed it or touched it up. I shave with the "factory edge" and only strop the razor very lightly. I would like to know what grit diamond paste he uses, but the subtitles do not say. Perhaps @Sukeroku was able to discern that information?

 

[Sukeroku]

I have a kamisori, purchased from his shop a year ago. That razor is sharp! I have never honed it or touched it up. I shave with the "factory edge" and only strop the razor very lightly. I would like to know what grit diamond paste he uses, but the subtitles do not say. Perhaps @Sukeroku was able to discern that information?

Good question. I had the same question when watched the video. I watched it several times last night, but Mizuochi-san does not seem to indicate the diamond paste grit he uses. I bought an Iwasaki Kōsuke razor recently from a Japanese barber and when I asked the seller about maintaining the edge (which was superb), he spoke of balsa stropping with 200,000 grit diamond paste. I am going to try to make a trip to the Sanjoseisakujo foundry next month. If I do, I can ask Mr. Mizouchi about the diamond paste. If you cannot wait that long, I noticed on the Japanese version of this video that Sanjoseisakujo answers questions in the comments section, even in English. Why not ask Mr. Mizuochi yourself? I have added the Japanese version (no subtitles) below.

 

[Darth Scandalous]

Looks like 1 micron paste from this screenshot at 4:08.

 

[Sukeroku]

Looks like 1 micron paste from this screenshot at 4:08.
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Good eye!

 

[MasterOfPups]

I suspect the part that was translated as 'too sharp' was actually meant to say that the edge needed to be deburred to make it smoother ?

 

[Herrenberg]

I suspect the part that was translated as 'too sharp' was actually meant to say that the edge needed to be deburred to make it smoother ?

An edge honed edge-leading should not need deburring.

 

[MasterOfPups]

An edge honed edge-leading should not need deburring.

Maybe , but didn't Iwasaki himself recommend using a felt block to deburr after honing ? I'm pretty sure I saw a video of him doing that after honing.

I just go from stone to strop myself, but why else would he say the blade was too sharp, and then use diamond paste ?

 

[Steve56]

1 micron is only about 10k. It’s on the coarse side for razor finishing.

Iwasaki recommended CrOx on serge (basically woolen denim), CrOx is generally accepted to be about 20k.

 

[Herrenberg]

Maybe , but didn't Iwasaki himself recommend using a felt block to deburr after honing ? I'm pretty sure I saw a video of him doing that after honing.

I just go from stone to strop myself, but why else would he say the blade was too sharp, and then use diamond paste ?

I...don't know. I want to try it and see what it does. My first thought was to soften the edge a bit, but I'm not entirely happy with that speculation.

 

[MasterOfPups]

I...don't know. I want to try it and see what it does. My first thought was to soften the edge a bit, but I'm not entirely happy with that speculation.

Yeah, I'm curious about it myself, I was just thinking it was an issue with the translation. I'm not curious enough to buy a bunch of diamond paste though. Or maybe I am ? Dang it !

 

[Darth Scandalous]

1 micron is only about 10k. It’s on the coarse side for razor finishing.

Iwasaki recommended CrOx on serge (basically woolen denim), CrOx is generally accepted to be about 20k.

Based on the number and style of strokes he does on the cloth I wonder if he just doing it to clear any potential fin?

 

[Sukeroku]

I suspect the part that was translated as 'too sharp' was actually meant to say that the edge needed to be deburred to make it smoother ?

Mizuochi-san actually says the edge is "eiri sugiru" (鋭利すぎる) which means "too sharp"...

 

[albsat]

The material for the paste seems strange. Looks like a leather sponge. What is it?

 

[thp001]

The material for the paste seems strange. Looks like a leather sponge. What is it?

It’s a strop made from a piece of cloth pinned over a hard substrate. In the Iwasaki text it is referred to as a Raxa strop.

From:

Honing Razors and Nihon Kamisori,
Kousuke Iwasaki

 

[H Brad Boonshaft]

“Matt (not actually a Sith lord)”, But actually, a sharp-eyed Detective.

So, first rule of honing… there are No Rules. Whatever works…


“An edge honed edge-leading should not need deburring.”

There is always a burr or fin, off a stone. It is why an edge that will not cut hair, will pop a hair after stropping on linen and or leather.