Not 100% sure, but yes, these two if I buy new. Still looking at some vintage though, vintage for me is a lot harder to figure out. Seriously here I can find 100+ vintage blades ranging from $30 - $700. Confusing to say the least. So, please have a look at these Boker and share your thoughts. Obviously the Black one is modern with the awesome Ambonia Wood scales and the other is New Old School(?) with some sort of Horn scales that I'd like to know more about but having hard time w/ any detail. Supposedly Limited Edition which would be cool. Xiexie (oh, if they both suck, tell me and advise what to search for)