A little bucket of tallow from Turkey....Wonder if it has the industrial laundry detergent scent ?....Haven't seen a vendor for it yet,but I'm searching ! http://tirasim.com/konu-more-for-you-tiras-sabunu.html 
"More for YOU" shave soap
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I think it's a rebranded Derby soap.
The purveyor apparently is Kraft Kağıt Sanayi Ticaret LTD. ŞTI. That roughly translates to Kraft Paper Industry Trade LTD. It may be some company that started in paper products and then branched out, or simply arranged private labels for additional products. You can visit the web page shown at the bottom of the back-view. Only the main page has a working [EN] for English, the linked sub-pages are all Turkish, so you have to rely on the browser's translation capability for help. Their "About Us" says they export products to 20 countries, but which products to which countries is unclear. If you google "kraft kagit" there are several links including a lean facebook page. I was in the country decades ago and picked up no more than rudiments of the language, enough to correspond with some of the sources in bad Turkish, and to ask about getting some of the items that are hard to find internationally. They all tell me the same thing, and that is I have to go back to Turkey. I'm working on that.
Meanwhile, if this traditional shaving thing keeps growing, it would be a shot in the arm for their manufacturers of such products. Most of them long existed in obscurity outside their own country. Now their centuries-long hamam and personal hygiene traditions may be paying off. They have long had good products of the most unpretentious ingredients just waiting to be discovered.
Meanwhile, if this traditional shaving thing keeps growing, it would be a shot in the arm for their manufacturers of such products. Most of them long existed in obscurity outside their own country. Now their centuries-long hamam and personal hygiene traditions may be paying off. They have long had good products of the most unpretentious ingredients just waiting to be discovered.
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Container looks Derby, wonder if anyone has any further info on it.
It is possible that the product ultimately has the same source as Derby. Evyap (house-make) is like a Turkish P&G. Arko is a product of Evyap. Part of Evyap's business is private labels, and Evyap makes Derby soap. There is nothing to say Evyap may be making the More For You product as well, on behalf of Kraft Kağıt Sanayi Ticaret LTD.
the container does look a lot like Derby. if there was a picture of the puck I could compare the two as I have the Derby tub.
I noticed this soap online today, and am resurrecting the thread!
Its official listing is here (company website): More For You Kuaför Salonu Ürünleri - https://kraftkagit.com.tr/detay/more-for-you-tiras-sabunu-kase-140-gr-19.html
How come this soap doesn't enjoy more following?
Based on @malocchio 's post, the formulation used to be the same as Derby, but I noticed a newer looking label that does not contain any tallow:
This seems to be consistent with the company's PALM ÖZLÜ FORMUL on the label.
Turkey also moving away from tallow?
Time to hoard ARKO?
Its official listing is here (company website): More For You Kuaför Salonu Ürünleri - https://kraftkagit.com.tr/detay/more-for-you-tiras-sabunu-kase-140-gr-19.html
How come this soap doesn't enjoy more following?
Based on @malocchio 's post, the formulation used to be the same as Derby, but I noticed a newer looking label that does not contain any tallow:
This seems to be consistent with the company's PALM ÖZLÜ FORMUL on the label.
Turkey also moving away from tallow?
Time to hoard ARKO?
I have a More For You soap Tub & it shaves the same as my Derby Tub soap. It does have a very strong Ivory soap smell. 
Unlike the Derby Tub which has a milder scent.
Unlike the Derby Tub which has a milder scent.
Is it with the tallow formulation though?I have a More For You soap Tub & it shaves the same as my Derby Tub soap. It does have a very strong Ivory soap smell.
Unlike the Derby Tub which has a milder scent.
Going through ebay I found a picture of another recent tub (production date of Feb 2020) that has the palm oil based formulation that I posted earlier.
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I don't think so. A veg based formula can also produce great lather , but you're correct , no more tallow. Coconut oil, palm fruit oil and palm kernel oil can produce a thick rich lather, it's the palm " kernel " oil that give loads of volume to any soap formula ... The main reason you don't see this soap offered is because so few vendors have it , a real shame .I noticed this soap online today, and am resurrecting the thread!
Its official listing is here (company website): More For You Kuaför Salonu Ürünleri - https://kraftkagit.com.tr/detay/more-for-you-tiras-sabunu-kase-140-gr-19.html
How come this soap doesn't enjoy more following?
Based on @malocchio 's post, the formulation used to be the same as Derby, but I noticed a newer looking label that does not contain any tallow:
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This seems to be consistent with the company's PALM ÖZLÜ FORMUL on the label.
Turkey also moving away from tallow?
Time to hoard ARKO?
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I just ordered a tub off eBay. Seven bucks, what the heck. It says palm formula on the tub. I love Arko so the scent won’t bother me at all.
Oh yes, I do not doubt that the new formulation can be good, as just wonder whether this trend of moving away from tallow will affect Derby (if not already) and ARKO in the future.
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Very possible , but don't forget, many other Turlish sticks have come and gone , Blue , Camelot , GZD Berber ( which smelled like Arko but had more moisture and was malleable ) and a few others that didn't last long. Arko is #1 in sales , so they may not want to tamper with success .
I haven't forgotten them, because I've never learned about them in the first place
But thank you for the listing!That is another thing, in particular, the international brand visibility of Turkish shaving products; it is bad, I think. For example, ARKO (Evyap) has been in the Turquality program (Who We Are - Evyap - https://www.evyap.com.tr/en/hakkimizda/who-we-are-3) since 2006, which was supposed to help exactly with international brand visibility, as well as with offering a greater variety of options, yet all we got is a puck in addition to the stick! Like, how is that a breakthrough?
Here is an idea: whatever the soap is, More For You, Derby, or ARKO, sell it in a nice clay or ceramic or metallic pot, offer the refills, and offer two or three more varieties too (different scents, mentholated, sensitive with aloe vera, and so on).
This I'd snatch it up in a heart beat if Arko made a spearmint scent.
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LEA tried that a few years ago , nice but tiny wood bowl , great soap though. Didn't last, not enough sales .... Arko would get even fewer sales, it is what it is , a good economy soap.I haven't forgotten them, because I've never learned about them in the first place
That is another thing, in particular, the international brand visibility of Turkish shaving products; it is bad, I think. For example, ARKO (Evyap) has been in the Turquality program (Who We Are - Evyap - https://www.evyap.com.tr/en/hakkimizda/who-we-are-3) since 2006, which was supposed to help exactly with international brand visibility, as well as with offering a greater variety of options, yet all we got is a puck in addition to the stick! Like, how is that a breakthrough?
Here is an idea: whatever the soap is, More For You, Derby, or ARKO, sell it in a nice clay or ceramic or metallic pot, offer the refills, and offer two or three more varieties too (different scents, mentholated, sensitive with aloe vera, and so on).
I used More For You soap today. First, I haven’t bowl lathered in a long time and I’m not into soap scents one way or another. The soap seemed to be about the same hardness as Arko and lathered well. The performance was about the same as well, however, the scent was a bit overwhelming. Of course this may calm down after being open for a while. It doesn’t have the same citron scent as Arko but more of an industrial something or other. I believe I’ll stick with Arko as my go to soap especially since I am a dedicated face latherer. In any case, it is an inexpensive experiment.
On the Italian Amazon is find the Turkish soap More For You Shaving soap with soap dish, 140 g, refreshing and toning, ideal for sensitive skin.
Twelve of these packs with soap dishes sold for €40, a single piece costs €8. A friend recommended it to me and described the very delicate scent to me, it has a clean smell, which is a standard in Turkish soaps. Bergamot fragrance. I haven't tried it but I'm sure it's like Derby/Arko and I don't think it's the same. It's described as hard soap.
Okay, I didn't know it and as soon as he showed it to me in the photo it looked like a container with yogurt inside.
The price is excessive for 140 grams of soap, but let's see if it works well, I'll try to buy one of their soaps that my wise shaving friend recommended to me, it could be a valid alternative to the Arko in a bowl. And I know you will look at me badly and rail against me.
Are any of you already using it? The new version of this reformulated soap which has been on sale for at least three or four years, as you have already written, is without tallow. I haven't found the ones with the previous formula containing tallow, I think them must all be sold out and can't be found in Europe.
Twelve of these packs with soap dishes sold for €40, a single piece costs €8. A friend recommended it to me and described the very delicate scent to me, it has a clean smell, which is a standard in Turkish soaps. Bergamot fragrance. I haven't tried it but I'm sure it's like Derby/Arko and I don't think it's the same. It's described as hard soap.
Okay, I didn't know it and as soon as he showed it to me in the photo it looked like a container with yogurt inside.
The price is excessive for 140 grams of soap, but let's see if it works well, I'll try to buy one of their soaps that my wise shaving friend recommended to me, it could be a valid alternative to the Arko in a bowl. And I know you will look at me badly and rail against me.
Are any of you already using it? The new version of this reformulated soap which has been on sale for at least three or four years, as you have already written, is without tallow. I haven't found the ones with the previous formula containing tallow, I think them must all be sold out and can't be found in Europe.
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If it now has a "mild bergamot " scent then a lot more has changed than just removal of tallow ...On the Italian Amazon is find the Turkish soap More For You Shaving soap with soap dish, 140 g, refreshing and toning, ideal for sensitive skin.
Twelve of these packs with soap dishes sold for €40, a single piece costs €8. A friend recommended it to me and described the very delicate scent to me, it has a clean smell, which is a standard in Turkish soaps. Bergamot fragrance. I haven't tried it but I'm sure it's like Derby/Arko and I don't think it's the same. It's described as hard soap.
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Okay, I didn't know it and as soon as he showed it to me in the photo it looked like a container with yogurt inside.
The price is excessive for 140 grams of soap, but let's see if it works well, I'll try to buy one of their soaps that my wise shaving friend recommended to me, it could be a valid alternative to the Arko in a bowl. And I know you will look at me badly and rail against me.
Are any of you already using it? The new version of this reformulated soap which has been on sale for at least three or four years, as you have already written, is without tallow. I haven't found the ones with the previous formula containing tallow, I think them must all be sold out and can't be found in Europe.
It could be wrong. It is a bit confusing or incorrect information written on Amazon. In the description of the single piece it says bergamot fragrance, under the description of the twelve pieces it says oat fragrance. The soap is the same. What did the one you had smell like?
Also there are 12-piece sticks, underneath it says palm extract fragrance. This should be the correct fragrance.
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