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Lord S625 (the Smart)

Now that my experiment with the Lord L122 has begun to fray my nerves as well as my face, I've decided to move on to my other new razor, the S625, aka the Lord Smart. This morning was the inaugural shave.

Usual prep: hot shower, followed by lather-up with TJ. I transferred the used-once blade from the L122 to the Smart, and made sure to use the fresh edge so I didn't judge the Smart unfairly.

First impressions: wow, this sucker is heavy! Compared to the L122, the Smart is a nine-pound hammer. The handle is pretty light: it's all plastic and cheap pot metal. The head, though, feels like some kind of steel, although I could be mistaken there. In any case, the head is noticeably denser than the handle, and in totality this razor is the heaviest I've used to date. I like the feel very much, although I don't yet know what I think about the concept of a razor so top-heavy. I'll be curious to try out a razor with a similarly heavy head, but with the handle made of the same material so there's a larger symmetry of balance. I also appreciated that the thicker, heavier head made it much easier to load the blade, whereas the L122 scared me.

Second impressions: wow, nice razor! I definitely enjoyed this shave much more than any I've had with the L122. It glided across my face (especially down!) where the L122 and even the recently deceased Vincent tended to scrape or bounce. The shave is milder than I expected from the heft of the Smart, which meant it shaved very comfortably, but my first pass was barely SAS. Since this was the overall effect rather than localize to a patch on my neck or something, I went for a complete re-lathered second pass, which I don't think I've ever done in my life. (I usually just do a few more strokes on problem areas, and refresh with warm water rather than break out the shaving cream again.)

The second pass got me a nearly BBS shave, although I have yet to meet the razor that can truly accomplish BBS; even my cheeks, the easiest part to shave, will feel a little rough if I run my hand up ATG. Shaving those ATG with a DE razor is, as yet, beyond me unless I want to look like a knife attack victim. I settled for a DFS going WTG and XTG on my cheeks and neck. Got only one small weeper, and the rest of my face and neck felt well treated.

It's hard to imagine going back to the L122 for now, at least until I can get my hands on some blades that have a reputation for being really sharp and aggressive to counteract the L122's natural tendencies. On the other hand, I can see how the need for a full second pass can annoy the time-poor: I almost missed my bus this morning from the length of the shave! (Granted, I was enjoying myself, which may have been part of the problem.)

Questions:
  • Is there any way to adjust my technique so that an entire second pass is not necessary, or will I simply have to budget the requisite time for two passes if I don't want 5 o'clock shadow at noon?
  • What exactly makes this razor feel so mild to me? I notice that the safety bar is really hefty compared to others I've tried, which I assume has to make a big difference. Is there anything else in the construction that I should be eyeing?
 
See I told you the Smart is an awesome razor!! :thumbup1::thumbup::thumbup1:

By the way, if you don't like the plastic handle, you might be able to swap it with the handle off your L122. I have successfully done this in the past, but it doesn't always work, as sometimes the threads start too deeply in the L122 handle.

DE razors function on a principal of beard reduction: generally multiple passes are required, and expected to get a close shave. Each pass removes a small amount of stubble, each pass leading to a closer shave than the pass before it. Most of us do at least two passes, some do as many as four. :biggrin1:

As you gain experience, the amount of time required for each pass should decrease.

It's possible to get a close shave in one pass with a cartridge razor, as each pass is actually made up of 2,3,4, or even 5 passes, as each blade constitutes a pass on it's own. :tongue_sm
 
First impressions: wow, this sucker is heavy! Compared to the L122, the Smart is a nine-pound hammer. The handle is pretty light: it's all plastic and cheap pot metal. The head, though, feels like some kind of steel, although I could be mistaken there.

IIRC it is 36 grams, so not that heavy. As the handle is plastic it will be top heavy, which I prefer in a razor. As I see it this is Lords answer to the Chinese and Indian Gillette 7'o clock razors.
 
I am not surprised you like the Smart better. The LP1822 on your way will not be much heavier though since the handle is made from aluminium. So balance will be not that much different. I love that balance btw and use the LP1822 very much despite having a cabinet with razors of higher reputation.

Your complaints about the 2 passes you needed combined with your results with the L122 made me wonder a few things about your blade angle. The Smart is milder, true, but still capable of a very well 'cleaning' WTG-pass. When you are used to a single pass shave the result shouldn't need to be worse than with the L122 so I guess you might be a bit sloppy in maintaining the right angle all the time. With the L122 you can 'compensate' because it is more aggressive but razor-burn is likely the price to pay. Might I suggest to play a little with your angles combined with short strokes to see if that makes a difference?
 
Your complaints about the 2 passes you needed combined with your results with the L122 made me wonder a few things about your blade angle. The Smart is milder, true, but still capable of a very well 'cleaning' WTG-pass. When you are used to a single pass shave the result shouldn't need to be worse than with the L122 so I guess you might be a bit sloppy in maintaining the right angle all the time. With the L122 you can 'compensate' because it is more aggressive but razor-burn is likely the price to pay. Might I suggest to play a little with your angles combined with short strokes to see if that makes a difference?

Probably a good idea. I got a late start this morning, so I have yet to have my daily shave. I'll keep an eye on my angles and see if I can pinpoint what I'm doing. I have a feeling the length of the handle makes a difference, but I don't yet know what precisely. And, in fairness to the L122, I did just admit to attempting foolishly for a one-pass DE shave, which almost requires razor burn and bloodletting as a consequence. When I'm a little more skillful, I'll go back to the L122 expecting to do two passes, and see what happens.
 
Good technique + good razor = good shave. :thumbup:

Yesterday, inspired by the thread saying that we needn't beat ourselves up (or, as the case may be, slash ourselves to ribbons) in pursuit of BBS, I intentionally did a careful one-pass shave with the Smart just to see what the results would be. I got a SAS out of it, with more 5 o'clock shadow than my usual. No biggie for a day when I didn't have to impress anyone, and just needed to get myself out of the house to do some errands. It also gave me a clear idea of what the Smart can and cannot do on a single pass.

This morning, I did a careful two-pass shave, which not only provided CCS for the most part, but also let me compare angles from one position and another. My neck is still a little stubbly, but getting that really smooth requires more time than I had this morning, and more effort than I could muster without coffee. (Had to get an early start today.)

I think that I have an easier time maintaining the classic 30-degree angle with the Smart's relatively long handle than with the L122, especially since the Smart's head is so much heavier. I simply cannot shave with the L122 without exerting pressure to make the razor hold a 30-degree angle from my face; it doesn't want to stay there. The Smart's construction makes it easy: it's perfectly happy to lean against me at a comfortable shaving angle, and I need to exert no force at all, except when shaving XTG of my jawline and chin — gravity forbids any other way. I find the natural downward glide of the razor means that I have to remind myself to use short strokes rather than long; a decade+ of shaving with a Mach3 has taught me to use long strokes, and even now, I have trouble remembering not to do that with a DE.

Clearly, for a close shave, I need at least two passes, and I just have to discard the idea that that can happen in a single pass of a DE razor. (Another bad Mach3-era habit to unlearn.) Now that I know this, I can enjoy the Smart and settle into a routine punctuated by occasional new products that have already begun to appear in my bathroom. I'll be interested to see if the LP1822, if and when it arrives, can supplant the Smart in my affections. It's just so friendly and comfortable that I'd need a good reason to switch, especially around here where other brands of DE razors are non-existent.

Smart FTW. :w00t:
 
I am glad things start to work out for you. A one-pass shave with a DE on an even semi-serious beard will not give a decent shave; I use two passes for a DFS (with most razor/blades combo's) and 3 for the Extra Clean Shave. To be honest I never got a decent one-pass shave with a disposable or cartridge either back in the days.

I'll be interested to see if the LP1822, if and when it arrives, can supplant the Smart in my affections. It's just so friendly and comfortable that I'd need a good reason to switch, especially around here where other brands of DE razors are non-existent.


The experience will be close between the two I think. But you are right about it being user-friendly and when you are going to spend more money in the future on a DE my guess is that you might get a more beautiful one but it will be hard to get a nicer shaving one!
 
I am glad things start to work out for you. A one-pass shave with a DE on an even semi-serious beard will not give a decent shave; I use two passes for a DFS (with most razor/blades combo's) and 3 for the Extra Clean Shave. To be honest I never got a decent one-pass shave with a disposable or cartridge either back in the days.

My standard shave with anything (even a twin bladed cartridge) is two passes: one WTG, and one XTG. This will get me a DFS nearly every time. I don't think a one pass DE shave will give very acceptable results.




The experience will be close between the two I think. But you are right about it being user-friendly and when you are going to spend more money in the future on a DE my guess is that you might get a more beautiful one but it will be hard to get a nicer shaving one!

+1

The Merkur razors may have a slightly better finish, but in my opinion, the shave is going to be very similar. The Muhle razors kick the Merkur razors to the curb in terms of finish; they also feel like a superior tool in your hands.
 
I'm drowning in goodies now! :w00t: I took delivery today of a sampler pack from Lord containing 25 Super Chrome blades, 20 Platinum Class blades, a 5-pack of disposable plastic razors (I guess they wanted to be thorough), an LP1822 razor, and one I'd never heard of, the LP1822L. By the look of it, the LP1822 has the same head as the Smart and the same metal handle as the L122; the LP1822L, meanwhile, has the same head as the others, but has an elongated metal handle that matches the Smart in length. Given how heavy that razor head is, I wonder if I won't find the extra-long version a little too long for its own good. But, that's another day, another cup of coffee and another B&B thread. :laugh:

I think I need to cool it with trying out new razors for a bit: I've tried two new ones in the past ten days. Now that I've developed a fondness for the Smart, I think I'd be wiser to put my new cache aside for a little while so I can focus on perfecting my technique. Besides, I have some force majeure experimentation on the horizon: I'm almost out of my old shaving cream, which means I'll have to bust out one of my new tubes...and the new brush...and once that's settled, there are different blades to try....

How did I end up with so much shaving stuff here? Didn't I start using a DE razor partly to keep expenses down and simplify the process? Oh, well... :001_rolle
 
I'm drowning in goodies now! :w00t: I took delivery today of a sampler pack from Lord containing 25 Super Chrome blades, 20 Platinum Class blades, a 5-pack of disposable plastic razors (I guess they wanted to be thorough), an LP1822 razor, and one I'd never heard of, the LP1822L. By the look of it, the LP1822 has the same head as the Smart and the same metal handle as the L122; the LP1822L, meanwhile, has the same head as the others, but has an elongated metal handle that matches the Smart in length.

Wow, Lord was really good to you!! I am impressed! Do post photos!! :drool::drool:

I think I need to cool it with trying out new razors for a bit: I've tried two new ones in the past ten days. Now that I've developed a fondness for the Smart, I think I'd be wiser to put my new cache aside for a little while so I can focus on perfecting my technique.

The more variables you can limit, the easier it is to develop your technique. :thumbup1:

How did I end up with so much shaving stuff here? Didn't I start using a DE razor partly to keep expenses down and simplify the process? Oh, well... :001_rolle

Many of us started in this "hobby" thinking we would save money. After a few weeks, to a month that goal becomes far less important though. :lol::lol:
 
Nice score you have there dgilman! :thumbup1:

I told you there are some great people working at Lord! It would even be better when they focussed a bit more on the European/American market as well so their products would be easier to get overhere. Maybe they (or our retailers) are not yet aware of the growing interest in 'old-fashioned' shaving.
 
isnt that the lord mantic warns against in one of the videos ?

I kind of doubt it, considering the Lord model with the Merkur like head is a rarity in the states (especially the version with the metal handle).

Even the Lord Smart (with the plastic handle) is fairly rare; it's only stocked by one vendor that I know of (shoeboxshaveshop).

If he mentions a Lord razor at all, it's probably the older model with the Tech style head. :tongue_sm
 
isnt that the lord mantic warns against in one of the videos ?

No, the one I warned against was the old Lord L5. The one I have is very light, thin metal of very poor quality. My understanding is the newer L5's are a little bit better, and the L6's better still.

--Mark
 
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