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Former FP Difficulties

I used a fountain pen throughout most of my high school career and loved it. However, when I tried to go back to using one several years ago, I ran into several problems that stopped me from using them. I am now wondering if I am doing something wrong, or if what I have experienced is simply the "nature of the beast." When I was young, these problems did not bother me as much, but now, they are really annoying. The main problems I had were:
1) I had perpetual ink stains on my hand. No matter what I did, my nib would become soaked with ink and when I had the cap on, that ink would slink down into the section that you hold onto when you write.
2) The ink would smear terribly once on the paper. Even turning the pages in my notebook would make a mess of the print on the pages and if any moisture touched the ink, including my incredibly sweaty hands, the problem became much worse.
3) Certain types of paper were like a sponge. When I would write, the ink would soak into the paper and make my ink trails super wide and sometimes even illegible.
I do not remember what models I used to use, but both of my former fountain pens were Waterman brand, my first had a medium nib, my second had a fine nib and I used Waterman blue black cartridges exclusively.
I would absolutely love to get back into using FPs, but cannot afford to deal with these problems anymore. Was I doing something wrong? Or could I have been doing something different that would have solved these issues?
Please tell me there is a solution!
 
mwhitcraft (is there something that we can call you or do you prefer that ?)

your problems could simply be a combo of paper ink and pen, if you need to write fast and have it dry a pen with a EF (extra fine) or F (fine) will dry much fast then a medium or broad point nib as the thinner the line the less ink there is to dry, and even if the paper does feather a bit from an EF nib it isnt so noticable that you would ever worry about it

also you may want to look into fast drying inks such as Parker Quink, I use that stuff at work to write estimates and i havent had it smudge, not to mention it is inexpensive and usually locally available at any office supply store

beyond that for home I save my Big fancy nibs for good quality paper that can handle the wet flow from them, Clairfontaine or rhodia are two great makers, but staples has some local stuff that will work great as well

as for the ink stains, I tend to only get them playing with dip pens, or when i load or unload a pen of ink, some inks will "creep" onto the NIB, some noodlers inks are known to do it, but parker has never done it to me, but ive never had a pen go all the way to the section up to my fingers, this could be a storage issue, you should store facing the nib up, if left on its side or worse yet pointing down you are flowing ink to the NIB and enough could creep to make it to the section and run down a bit, Simply store in a shirt pocket or if you have a brief case or some type of carrying bag most have vertical pen pockets you could use to keep the sucker pointed to the sky
 

strop

Now half as wise
syngent nailed it. If you're pulling out those old pens, I'd soak the ni/section unit in cool water and flush it out well to make sure any old dried ink is cleared. Check to make sure the section is not cracked. The only Waterman I've had that did what you describe was a Phileas with a cracked section. It was driving me nuts. Every time I took the cap off, I had ink on my fingers. Finally got out a magnifying glass and found a tiny crack in the section when the nib goes in. Replaced that and have never had a problem, even storing pens on the side.
 

nemo

Lunatic Fringe
Staff member
+1 on the cracked section. Unless your grip is unusual (grasping nib/feed) you should not get inky fingers. If the cap continually fills with ink there could also be issues with the feed.

When I used fountain pens in junior high school remember I would have inky fingers but I was constantly fiddling with crappy nibs trying to make them smoother.

Solution: a new pen!
 
Thanks a lot for the info. (feel free to call me mwhitcraft or Michael) You have very successful convinced me to give it another go (exactly what I was hoping for). Especially the fast drying ink (quink), as I think this should help resolve the smearing issue. I do not want to make a big investment right now, but I am looking at the Pilot Metropolitan with a fine nib, as it has a brass body and looks classy without being pretentious. I might consider the EF nib, but am worried about it biting into the paper, something I remember complaining about when I would use my father's pen.

Does this sound like a good starter setup? Pilot Metropolitan Fine and some black quink? Are there any other fast-drying inks that would be good to try out? I would like to start out with black ink. If I got a bulb syringe, would that be sufficient to flush out the ink if and when I change it, or should I invest in something else as well?

Thanks again for the help.
 
I have been searching around and it seems that the Pilot Metropolitan is only available in medium point. Is this true? Do you think that will present a problem as far as smudging is concerned? Is there another pen you would suggest?
 

strop

Now half as wise
Japanese nibs run smaller than their western counterparts. so the Pilot M will be closer to F in other brands. I would get the Metropolitan and try it. The nibs are interchangeable with other Pilots, like the 78g, so if it's too broad, you could get a F in a 78g and swap nibs.
 
And the 78g you can have for about 10 bucks delivered so even for just a NIB its worth it

And your set up looks great to get started I would think you one happy person when you began to use it Michael
 
I think you'll be fine with the Medium nib Metropolitan and Quink. I'll also second swapping out the nib/grip section with that of a 78G if you find the Metropolitan too broad. Hopefully, you'll have a more trouble free experience with the Metropolitan!

-Andy

EDIT: I mean trouble free compared to your experiences with fountain pens several years ago. You'll have not problem with either the Metropolitan or a 78G. They're both great (and inexpensive).
 
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nemo

Lunatic Fringe
Staff member
I think you'll be fine with the Medium nib Metropolitan and Quink. I'll also second swapping out the nib/grip section with that of a 78G if you find the Metropolitan too broad. Hopefully, you'll have a more trouble free experience with the Metropolitan!

-Andy

Just try it, see what you think. As far as fountain pens are concerned, it's pocket change. :wink2:
 
Thanks for all the advice. I just pulled the trigger on the pen (it should arrive on Tuesday). However, the retailer I bought the pen from did not sell Parker Quink. Is there a brick and mortar shop where I can find it? I would hate to pay $10 for shipping on a $9 bottle of ink.
 
Dont need a brick and mortor Michael staples or office max should have a bottle of it for around 8 bucks or so
 
Dont need a brick and mortor Michael staples or office max should have a bottle of it for around 8 bucks or so
Hmmm... I couldn't find it on the Staple's web site, same for Office Max and although Office Depot DOES have on their web site, I went to a local store and was told that it is an "internet only" item.
 
I know its in my stores in canuck country, but I have seen people post on your side of the border they can get it to, lets see if anyone closer to you pops in with an option... if not ill hook you up
 
I know its in my stores in canuck country, but I have seen people post on your side of the border they can get it to, lets see if anyone closer to you pops in with an option... if not ill hook you up
The generosity of forum members never ceases to amaze me. If push comes to shove, I'll order it online. I could live with myself if I let you pay shipping to send me some ink, while I was too cheap to pay shipping from an online store. Thanks a million for the offer! :thumbup:
 
You wouldn't think it such a nice offer a few months down the road when you had 10 pens a few bottles of ink paper a wax seal kit and all your other gear lol
 
Well, I got my pen and some quink and loaded it up today. The pen writes very well and I am, all in all, very happy with my purchase. However, with most paper I have tried, the ink takes just a couple of seconds to dry. That means for a clumsy fellow like me, there is just enough time for me to smudge it before it dries. Is there an ink that I might try that dries faster than quink? Should I go for a finer point by getting the 78g and swapping out the nibs? Would the finer point of the 78g not write as smoothly (I really like the feel of the metro nib on the paper)?

Please advise and thank you for all your help so far.
 
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