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For All Those Who Suffer From Razor Burn

Today I had some slight razorburn in my sensitive spot and I applied a little witch hazel and it took the burn right out. It worked very effectively in terms of relief.
 
It's not the shaving cream which stops the razor burn - its the water on your skin. The shaving cream simply holds the water close to your face (which is why you should also apply shaving cream over a wet face).

...that gives me an idea. What would happen if you shaved under water? You'd obviously need your nose just above to breathe...

I know many would think a mild razor and mild blade(not sure which blade you use) would be a good combo for a very sensitive skin but I would suggest for some people to try the exact opposite. You want to have the least amount of friction on your skin as you can right? If you use an aggressive razor with very sharp blades then you could cut one or more passes off your shave and the less time you're dragging a blade against your skin the better right?
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"Aggressive" razors are efficient (fewer passes to achieve BBS) and therefore less likely to cause razor burn than "Mild" razor...so long as you don't press too hard.

That's where one of my biggest improvements came from. In my case I used a shim to make mine more aggressive.

"Pre-shave oil" doesn't add any slickness necessary to a smooth shave to what a good-quality shave soap will provide, and it can inhibit beard hydration if applied too early, which can yield a harsh shave. It won't necessarily ruin a shave but can't help one either.
That would explain my mixed experiences with pre-shave oil.
 
Okay I didn't try the OP's recipe but I found I still had a travel size container of AOS pre shave oil so thought I'd give it another go after several years without. As I mentioned in my earlier post in this thread I still suffer with irritation on parts of my neck and have all but given up on it getting better than what I have already achieved which is a big difference from before I found this site.

So today while in the shower I prepped my beard as usual but I applied the oil before finishing up my shower. This let the oil have time to absorb into my skin while I prepared my lather and applied it and let that sit while I stropped my razor. The shave was excellent though it did feel a little sticky on my lower neck. Maybe too much there? However my usual red spots on my left side of neck were not present after the shave. I had a splash of Bay Rum and all was good in the world.

This confirms to me that when I was using oil as I was learning I wasn't giving it enough time to do it's job and quickly gave up on it. I will try some other variety's to see what I like better as it was a bit sticky I think due to the castor oil in it but????
 
Works for you and that matters the most. Some other suggestions may still be worth a try so maybe try one of the others as part of the experimenting. Hate to miss some options!
 
It looks like your doing a good job of moving toward enjoying a burn free DE shave!

I was confused by a couple things.

Is your skin only sensitive to the friction caused by shaving but not by the creams, soaps or oils? If you have generally sensitive skin I would think what product you put on your face could have a big effect on skin reaction. If you have a hot shower to open your pours then all the chemicals & fragrances from the cream/soap will go right into your skin won't it?

I know many would think a mild razor and mild blade(not sure which blade you use) would be a good combo for a very sensitive skin but I would suggest for some people to try the exact opposite. You want to have the least amount of friction on your skin as you can right? If you use an aggressive razor with very sharp blades then you could cut one or more passes off your shave and the less time you're dragging a blade against your skin the better right?

As for the preshave oils, I tried a couple in the past but go ahead and add me to the "meh" group for that product.

Another post which I wanted to comment on....

So to clarify, my skin is just sensitive to anything that scrapes across it - whether it be a mach 3, fusion, DE or straight razor. The only product which my skin has a bad reaction to is alum block, but since I've switched to Thayer's Witch Hazel (non-alcohol, because I already have dry skin), the redness caused by that has disappeared. So that's why for me, the shaving cream doesnt make a difference (but only if I use my preshave oil).

As for your second comment - I completely forgot to add that! So as I mentioned in my post, I use a mild razor because anything with too large a gap or too steep a gap (i.e., shallow angle) causes me irritation. However, dull blades also cause me irritation. Thus, I use a mild razor/aggressive blade combo. Specifically, I use a Weishi Gold with a Feather - typically changing it every 4 shaves. However, there's no chance in the world I would use a feather in my Merkur classic or I'd probably end up in the ER from blood loss haha. I got this idea from the many posts by irritation-prone individuals who raved about their Gillette Tech/Feather combo.

Thanks for the reminders!
 
Glad to hear you found what works for you! I too have found pre-shave oil to help eliminate razor burn, so I guess it definitely falls into the YMMV category. I was just about to mix up some more tonight, I will try your 1:1 A/J (plus a little glycerin) and give it a try. My neck has also been my biggest problem, however I have gotten to where I can go ATG over most of it with little issue.

Very good post. I'm glad as well you found your solution. I'm still looking for mine and I'm 4 1/2 years in with straight razors. The left side if my neck is just impossible no matter what I do other than my Gillette flare tip with a feather and a very light touch so long as the stars are aligned that day. It gets red even if I rub it with my hand a little to hard win it has stubble in that one small spot.
Just before reading this I was thinking about revisiting oils. I think I'll give your recipe a try it can't hurt after all.
Thanks for posting.

Nice write up. I usually use proraso pre and post, but will give you're homemade recipe a try. I also have a small area around the base of my neck that is as tempermental as a teenage girl. Thanks for the much needed advice.

I'm impressed with the quality of your write-up in terms of issue/discussion/recommendation. No whining and no quitting on your part, which after 5.5 months of less-than-optimal results is impressive.

I normally don't have too much of an issue with irritation now that I regularly cork my new blades, but I'm going to give your pre-shave formula of 1:1 of sweet almond oil and jojoba oil a try. Who knows? It might be that last 5% I'm looking for.

Thanks!

Rick

To all these individuals, I'm eager to know if you've tried the 1:1 ratio oil and if so, how did it help with the irritation?

Also, The Mick - you mentioned that your neck gets red if you rub it a little when there is stubble. This reminded me of another great suggestion I forgot to include in the OP: DON"T TOUCH YOUR NECK! Not only when there is stubble, but especially after you shave. I found that if I touched my neck too much (which often happened when I was trying to feel the BBS portions of my neck) I would infect my pores and it would get red and bumpy. Even when it is stubble, my shirt collar (dress shirt) rubs against my neck and also causes some slight irritation. However, this is something which has nothing to do with the quality of the shave as this even happens to me when I go to the barber - it's simply my skin type.

My recommendation for that is to A) try to touch your face/problem areas as little as possible; b) try to not wear collared shirts or, if you must wear collared shirts, try putting some baby powder/talc on your neck/stubble. and c) try using the preshave oil mixture as a post-shave moisturizer. I've found that since using this pre-shave oil on the daily, wearing a collared shirt is much more comfortable. My reasoning behind this (I think) is that before, my stubble used to be very rough, and it would get caught on my collar and pull the hair making it feel like someone was pinching me with their nail. But since this oil softens my stubble, the hairs are less likely to get caught and stick to my collar, and instead just bend with the shirt (like longer hair does), eliminating that pinching feeling. Don't get me wrong, I still hate wearing collars, but this oil has really helped reduce that hatred.
 
I'm glad this post inspired you to give it another go. I think you've hit the golden rule - not giving it enough time. There is nothing worse than not having enough time to shave, and simply rushing through the prep process, only to attain a much less than satisfactory shave. The amount of time people invest in beard prep is key because that is what makes the whiskers primed to be cut. The more time invested in prep= more supple skin and soften whiskers = more comfortable shave. At least that's the way that I see it.
 
It looks like you hit the lottery with a combination of skin issues that makes getting a good shave not an easy process. It's unfortunate that it will keep you from being able to try a variety of great razors out there. If I couldn't put my NEWs into my rotation it would make me cry :(

I hope that as time goes on you find even more razors and product combinations that work even better for you! Good luck ;)!!
 
To all these individuals, I'm eager to know if you've tried the 1:1 ratio oil and if so, how did it help with the irritation?

Also, The Mick - you mentioned that your neck gets red if you rub it a little when there is stubble. This reminded me of another great suggestion I forgot to include in the OP: DON"T TOUCH YOUR NECK! Not only when there is stubble, but especially after you shave.
Yeah I try not to. The reason I mentioned it was to point out just how sensitive my skin is. I see post all the time saying everybody has sensitive skin But I think these people don't understand what some of us are talking about. It's not just that we git a little razor rash from a dull razor bad prep ect... but like in my case where even if I wasn't to shave at all if I was to rub my neck against the grain even just a little I can end up with red welts. This kept me from shaving for most of my life until I moved to a military town and went to a barber for a razor shave and could not believe it it was possible.
 
It's been a while since I've posted on B&B, but my journey into shaving with a DE razor has been a long (yet, oddly enjoyable) 6 months of pain and discomfort. Before you go thinking I'm a lunatic for "enjoying" pain and discomfort, I'll clarify by saying that it was the journey of learning itself which was enjoyable - the pain I could have done without.

For the six months I have shaved with a DE razor, 5 1/2 of them were burdened with the discomfort of chronic razorburn (particularly around the neck). It took me that long to a) experiment with possibly every combination of shaving item/technique; b) to save up enough money TO experiment with possible every combination of shaving item; and c) to sift through the thousands of forum posts around the net regarding "cures" for razor burn. To save some newbies from having to go through this process (I hope), I wish to pass on the most valuable things I've learned that have led me to 2 weeks of 100% razor burn free shaves (trust me - it feels like a lifetime).

When I initially started DE shaving, I used a Merkur Classic. It's common knowledge that this razor is generally considered a wise "starting" razor, along with others such as the 34c, EJ R89, and on and on. If you have skin that is as sensitive as mine, DO NOT start with one of these razors. The leap from cartridge/disposable shaving to DE shaving will cause you to have extreme discomfort, as your angle will most likely be off for the first, oh, several weeks. I find that with extremely sensitive skin like mine, I'm only able to handle razors with very small blade gaps, and blade angles which are almost perpendicular to the safety bar. For this reason, very mild razors are key for preventing razor burn (of course, ymmv). My suggestions would be a Weishi 9306 or Vintage Gillette Tech.

With the Weishi, not all Weishi's are the same. The different materials will cause them to be different weights. I find that the heavier the razor, the easier it is to use "no pressure" (MAJOR cause of razor burn is using pressure, even the slightest bit). Therefore, I would recommend the Weishi 9306 Gold, as this is the heaviest of the bunch weighing 16 grams more than a Merkur Classic. Another great advantage of the Weishi is that your technique can be "sloppy" without the risk of nicking yourself since it is so mild which makes it great for beginners.

Now, some will argue with my next suggestion however, I personally have found that with the remaining suggestions I have to offer, you will find there to be no difference in whether or not you get razor burn based on whether you use "regular" shaving cream/soap, or "sensitive" shaving cream/soap (but, you must use shaving cream/soap - none of that canned goo crap). I personally use whichever shaving cream I like the scent of the most, along with one other factor - it must lather easily, as some shaving creams are very time consuming to build a decent lather. So by all means, don't let sensitive skin limit which shaving cream you use.

Some other simple suggestions are to ensure you are shaving with the grain on your first pass, and are using enough water in your lather. If your lather starts to fluff off, or it dries even the slightest, your risking yourself a bad case of razor burn. It's not the shaving cream which stops the razor burn - its the water on your skin. The shaving cream simply holds the water close to your face (which is why you should also apply shaving cream over a wet face). Furthermore, pre-shave prep is key to preventing razor burn. You want to soften your beard and open your pores as much as possible before you shave. Thus, I'd recommend taking a nice HOT shower, letting your mirror fog up, before shaving. This will help soften your beard. If you can't shower due to time or other constraints, you must still somehow soften your whiskers or your just asking for razor burn. Therefore, take a HOT (but not steaming hot) towel and place it over your beard. You may have to use several (maybe three) hot towels as they lose their heat quickly. Let them soften your whiskers for about 10 minutes. If you can afford it, its also highly recommended to place some shave lather over your beard and then a hot towel on top of that so the lather can start softening your beard as well (but then wipe off, and re-lather before you start shaving).

Above, you will find the general recommendations that are scattered throughout the net regarding how to prevent razor burn. Although I have tried other methods (e.g., products like "tend skin", or "cold" shaving), the above are the only ones which ever reduced my razor burn. However, you may have noticed I used the word "reduced". The reasoning is that although the above methods did work, I would still get chronic irritation on my neck in an area.

Until two weeks ago, I had always seen and read about preshave oils. I found that the general response from the community was a pathetic "meh". People would constantly say that they don't really notice a difference between using it and not, or that they "think" they see a difference but weren't really sure. These responses made me skeptical of ever purchasing one or even making one. However, after 5 months of not being able to get a decent shave (and being forced to shave for work) I was willing to try anything. So for two weeks I did a whole bunch of research and experimentation with different oils, and different techniques of how I would apply them (e.g., before shaving, after shaving, etc). In the end of it all, I have FINALLY found the solution/concoction that has given me two entire weeks of 100% irritation free shaves! The "secret" I have found is to combine a solution in the ratio of 1:1 of sweet almond oil, and jojoba oil. Apply this oil before you shower/use a hot towel, then again just before you are about to apply your lather for your first pass. Ever since I used this method, I have had amazing shaves and have never had a better looking neck! It was amazing to finally see a hairless neck with no red spots - something I haven't seen in many years. These two oils do an amazing job of hydrating your skin, AND your hair as they are able to penetrate the hairs outer "shell", something many other oils/moisturizers cannot do. This process helps to really soften that stubble and is the key to my irritation free shaves.

I know this has been a long post, but if you were lucky enough to read to the end I think you will be in for a real treat if you try out my not so secret recipe to a preshave oil. With this pre-shave oil and the other suggestions I feel confident in saying that a majority of irritation sufferers will be "cured":001_tongu. Additionally, the long read is nothing compared to the >5 months I spent toying around to find my irritation cure.

Hope this helps some of you!

Happy New Year!

Hey, thanks for sharing. I've also never tried a pre shave oil.

Question: do you re-apply the oil for each pass or only for the 1st pass?

Thanks!
 
From someone in the morbidly sensitive skin category, thanks for a new-to-me suggestion on how to use shave oil. After trying Shave Secret I was more in the what the hell?! than the meh category. (3 or 4 drops? what's that supposed to do?)
 
Hey, thanks for sharing. I've also never tried a pre shave oil.

Question: do you re-apply the oil for each pass or only for the 1st pass?

Thanks!

Sorry for the delayed response Royal52 - I had to experiment a bit before I gave you an answer. So for me, I started off by applying it before I shaved, and then after each pass I would apply it again. But after you posted your question, I tried shaving and only putting on the oil before the first pass, but I ended up getting some mild irritation and had a pretty crappy shave (relative to the ones where I put oil on after each pass).

So... I'm not sure if its how you're "supposed" to do it, but it's the way I HAVE to do it if I don't want irritation.

Hope that helps! I sacrificed my neck for you :p !
 
Great post. I have been wet shaving for one month and my second razor was an EJ DE89 Barley. I too find this razor difficult at this point and much prefer my late grandfather's English Gillette Flare Tip TV Rocket and Wilkinson Sword Classic. I believe you are right concerning the blade gap on the EJ, it has not given me shave as close or as pain free as the Wilkinson or the Rocket.

I have been experimenting with olive oil for a few months now.

Out of interest have you tried shaving with just your pre-shave oil?
 
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