Well, if you want to do it, go for it. You need to "own" it, though.
"No man who wears that jacket should mock this hat."
"No man who wears that jacket should mock this hat."
Cravat?
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Says the guy now sporting an avatar with bouffant white hair, crushed velvet jacket and lace cuffed shirt.
Just don't wear a scarf.
Or a bow tie. Too cool for you.
I was thinking of wearing a different patterned black shirt every day.
I had young gentleman that i always dealt with at a high end Mens shop in Charlotte. He dressed well one day came in to pick up some trouser & there he stood in one. I have never seen anything look like an idiot the way he was wearing it. Even his associate's.
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Keep in mind that a cravat is daytime sportswear, not formal in any sense.
Pics, please!
Dan:
Then where would a Ascot fit in (I thought Ascots [tied around the neck] are more informal than a Cravat [tucked down inside the shirt])
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Dan:
Then where would a Ascot fit in (I thought Ascots [tied around the neck] are more informal than a Cravat [tucked down inside the shirt])
âBetter [nouvelle] than neverâ. Lord Weidenfeld
I'm certainly not an expert, but I've always imagined it as this:
Edit: Apparently I've been imagining it wrong. Check out Doc's post, below.
Ascots are for when you're sailing, riding, teeing off, or strolling the grounds. Cravats are for when you return to the club for cocktails in the late afternoon or early evening, or perhaps when entertaining close intimates at home.
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It's confusing, and not least because most of the people trying to comment or give advice on the internet or elsewhere are confused ... more confused than normal. I'll take a stab at it.
Back in the day, ages ago, gentlemen used to get dressed up like this:
The bit of silk they tied around their necks was called a "cravat". Suffer through 1.28 of the sadly-not-the-original remake of the Scarlet Pimpernel, and you will get a sense of the formal dress involved, and the cravat.
Apparently, at some point, gentlemen who were out at the races at Ascot ... a less formal setting ... wanted a bit more neck freedom, so tied their cravats more informally, under the shirt collar.
The name caught on for that particular, informal, version of a cravat. So, "cravat" is the broad term to refer to all neckwear, and "Ascot" is the name of one particular, informal version of an ascot. Sort of like "shoe" and "sneaker" for footwear, if you see what I mean.
So: the modern Ascot ...
... the sort of thing you'd where when a refined turtleneck or a shirt and tie would do well also. Sunday brunch, yachting, art galleries, that sort of thing. In this day and age, if that sort of dress code fits with your workplace, then fine, go for it. Think of it as dressier than a shirt with open collar and no neckwear, but not as dressy as a shirt buttoned up with some sort of neckwear.
As for the more formal cravat ...
... I'd leave them for formal, dressy occasions like daytime weddings, gala symphony in the park (if there is such a thing), and (oddly enough you see it a lot there now) your trip to the royal races at Ascot.
Go figure.
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Dan:
Then where would a Ascot fit in (I thought Ascots [tied around the neck] are more informal than a Cravat [tucked down inside the shirt])
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If I understand it correctly, what is commonly known as a cravat today, is worn around the neck and tucked into your shirt leaving a button or two undone. An ascot is worn around the collar of a shirt in the same manner as a more modern tie, and is secured with a stick pin. It is commonly worn along with a vest.
To add a little more confusion, all neckwear is considered a cravat, but not all cravats are ascots.
Thank you, Doc4, great post!
I'm wondering if this might be a solution to my stubble destroying my new turtleneck fisherman sweaters?
'fop' doesn't come immediately to mind
Then how about "dandy"?
