Couple of Jnat honing videos

[mainaman]

I was making some videos for a contest on another forum and decided to shoot one of honing a kamisori and one of honing a western straight.
Both videos are of honing on a finishing hone.
The kamisori needed the bevel set towards the heel, that was done fully on the finishing stone with koma nagaura.

 

[mainaman]

 

[oakeshott]

Stefan,
in the Kami honing video, it looks like you are using equal numbers of strokes n both sides. I thought the number wa supposed to be seven or ten to one. Can you explain? Also, what is that very cool scope you were using?

 

[mainaman]

Stefan,
in the Kami honing video, it looks like you are using equal numbers of strokes n both sides. I thought the number wa supposed to be seven or ten to one. Can you explain? Also, what is that very cool scope you were using?

Kamisori are easy to set bevel and usually on a high grit stone, I rarely go under 5k, most often I use Coticule.
After that it s polishing and equal count does not harm the blade. I have been honing like that for a long time and it works fine.
If anything, it is very common that the kamisori is not honed properly on the back.
I wonder how any kind of ratio came to exist, and why?

 

[Seraphim]

Are you Orthodox? I see you wear your wedding ring on your right hand.

 

[ANeat]

I wonder how any kind of ratio came to exist, and why?

I think they do the ratio thing because one side is harder than the other. Never owned one myself, just what Ive read/heard. One side of the blade has a high carbon layer that is harder than the other so you do less laps on the soft side to reduce wear, or should I say keep the wear more "balanced"

 

[Drybonz]

Nice videos... thanks. What type of scope are you using?

 

[Woodash]

Are you Orthodox? I see you wear your wedding ring on your right hand.

He's from Virginia. They wear them on the right hand round there....

 

[mainaman]

Are you Orthodox? I see you wear your wedding ring on your right hand.

Yes I am, I am from Bulgaria

 

[mainaman]

Nice videos... thanks. What type of scope are you using?

I use one of those, got mine from Ebay though
http://www.amazon.com/SE-Illuminate...TF8&colid=3SWLLSDCOJ9CP&coliid=I2URMXNDJBUXE0

 

[mainaman]

I think they do the ratio thing because one side is harder than the other. Never owned one myself, just what Ive read/heard. One side of the blade has a high carbon layer that is harder than the other so you do less laps on the soft side to reduce wear, or should I say keep the wear more "balanced"

That cannot be a valid reason, as I said kamisori are honed on high grit hones, once the bevel is set then there is not much wear going on.
Recently a video was posted of Iwasaki smith honing equal counts both sides. Ultimately just use what works best for you and if the results are there, then that is all that matters.

 

[Gamma]

That cannot be a valid reason, as I said kamisori are honed on high grit hones, once the bevel is set then there is not much wear going on.
Recently a video was posted of Iwasaki smith honing equal counts both sides. Ultimately just use what works best for you and if the results are there, then that is all that matters.

You used to promote a 10:1 ratio. When did you chage that up?

 

[ANeat]

I think the more logical reason for more strokes on one side than the other would be the fact that the bevels are different. They are different on a Kamisori correct? But hey, whatever shaves yer whiskers

 

[mainaman]

You used to promote a 10:1 ratio. When did you chage that up?

I believe it was more like 7:3, but with time I figured I'd try the 1:1 and it worked the same, much easier to do 1:1 honing than 10:1, 7:3 etc. IMO the misunderstanding comes form the geometry of kamisori, people think the Omote is too soft and will wear fast, but the grind there is more hollowed and therefore 1:1 will not introduce excessive wear there to change the bevel angles enough to be unstable, remember the honing happens on high grit stones.

 

[mainaman]

I think the more logical reason for more strokes on one side than the other would be the fact that the bevels are different. They are different on a Kamisori correct? But hey, whatever shaves yer whiskers

I think you are missing the point, the honing happens on a finishing hone, there is minimal wear introduced to the razor, and the wear is even in 1:1 ratio as the spine on the Ura side is also made from soft steel. I appreciate your input, although I have read the same info you have.

 

[Gamma]

I had saved a thread where you posted 10:1, Jose said 10:3. This was a while ago, you probably moved to 7:3 later on.

 

[mainaman]

I had saved a thread where you posted 10:1, Jose said 10:3. This was a while ago, you probably moved to 7:3 later on.

Possibly, I have also used 7:3, and 10:3, eventually I got tired of counting that way and found out that 1:1 works fine.

 

[rickboone1]

I went to 7:11. Got a Big Gulp

 

[smalltank]

Are you Orthodox? I see you wear your wedding ring on your right hand.

Isnt it a European thing to wear your wedding band on your right?

 

[Kentos]

My belief is when bevel setting it might be better to keep a higher count on the omote vs ura, but once you move to the finer grits it doesn't seem to matter much at all. Also the omote can be reground a little easier as the whole face is unhardened, the Ura I am not sure it would be as easy to fix a clapped out spine.

Either way you should be trying to direct pressure away from the spine anyways.