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Cisco/Linksys pull a fast one on wireless router owners

:ohmy: Routers in question are the "EA" series...

Owners of Cisco/Linksys home routers got a nasty shock this week, when their devices automatically downloaded a new operating system, which locked out device owners. After the update, the only way to reconfigure your router was to create an account on Cisco's "cloud" service, signing up to a service agreement that gives Cisco the right to spy on your Internet use and sell its findings, and also gives them the right to disconnect you (and lock you out of your router) whenever they feel like it.

They say that "if you're not paying for the product, you are the product." But increasingly, even if you do pay for the product, you're still the product, and you aren't allowed to own anything. Ownership is a right reserved to synthetic corporate persons, and off-limits to us poor meat-humans.
Joel Hruska from ExtremeTech reports:
This is nothing but a shameless attempt to cash in on the popularity of cloud computing, and it comes at a price. The Terms and Conditions of using the Cisco Connect Cloud state that Cisco may unilaterally shut down your account if finds that you have used the service for “obscene, pornographic, or offensive purposes, to infringe another’s rights, including but not limited to any intellectual property rights, or… to violate, or encourage any conduct that would violate any applicable law or regulation or give rise to civil or criminal liability.”
It then continues “we reserve the right to take such action as we (i) deem necessary or (ii) are otherwise required to take by a third party or court of competent jurisdiction, in each case in relation to your access or use or misuse of such content or data. Such action may include, without limitation, discontinuing your use of the Service immediately without prior notice to you, and without refund or compensation to you.”
Since the Service is the only way to access your router, killing one would effectively kill the other.
Oh, and Cisco reserves the right to continue to update your router, even if you set it not to allow automatic updates.
Cisco’s cloud vision: Mandatory, monetized, and killed at their discretion



Update: A Cisco rep comments below, pointing out that Cisco has since changed its privacy policy.
However, the current policy reserves the right to change it back.


The current policy also allows Cisco to discontinue your access to your router if you download pornography, or if someone complains about you, without a court order, evidence or a chance to state your case and face your accuser.


They have also provided users with a way to back out of the "cloud management" "feature."


But, as noted, Cisco still reserves the right to change how your router works, even if you set it not to accept automatic updates.

http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/cisco-locks-customers-out-of-t.html

This is the best justification for uninstalling a WLAN's firmware and replacing it with Tomato or dd-WRT ever!
 
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This is the best justification for uninstalling a WLAN's firmware and replacing it with Tomato or dd-WRT ever!
This is also a good justification for building your own PFSense or Untangle box from an old computer to handle your firewall and routing needs. I use an old HP Pentium II PC setup with PFsense and it seems much more reliable than my old router. :wink:
By building your own, you have total control over what it can and cannot do. I like having the peace of mind in knowing that a corporation or some government entity can tell me how to use my equipment for surfing the internet.
 
Since when does a router company have the right to control how we use a separate internet service provided by a different company? Are they trying to be parents who tell us we can't look at porn if we want? How is this even remotely legal?
 
Linksys routers are terrible anyway. Sounds like another reason to switch to another brand.

+1

Had nothing but problems with mine, eventually I couldn't connect anything wirelessly. It would assign an address and I could see it from the desktop console, but the remote computer would just say "Waiting for network"
Didn't really need wireless so I just continued to use it as a local wired router (2 computer ports, Blu-Ray, and the Wii), but when SWMBO asked for a Nook for last Christmas, I again needed WiFi.

Bought a Belkin and it's been working like a champ.
 
I suspect that there's a little bit of sensationalist spin on this story, but I can't imagine any circumstances under which I'd be happy to have the administration rights of a device I own forcefully "outsourced".
 
The legal issues are one thing, but I don't want a cloud interface on my router for any reason. What on earth am I supposed to do if I need to log on to it to figure out why my connection is down? Most of the time, you use the router interface because something doesn't behave correctly in the network. Why would anyone want to depend on a working connection for that?

I disagree that Linksys routers are bad in general. I've only used their firmware to flash DD-WRT or some other unofficial firmware though, and from experience most router issues come from crappy firmware. If they were physical crap, they wouldn't be so popular with the custom firmware community. There is no better resource to identify good and bad hardware, in my opinion.
 
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