Hey! Sorry guys. I am backing away slowly...
I never measured, nor I think it's easy to measure it, accurately at least. But ... I'll throw in my number ... I estimate the angle I use to be very close to 90° ... I'll say 75° :
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That is very helpful Edgar. If you feel up to it, could you draw one that would show a shallow angle so we could see for comparison.
I could never get a smooth shave with my R41 2013. Maybe this would help.
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Thank you. That is very helpful. I may just give the R41 one more try.
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Yes, not that I didn't know, but I actually forgot the most important aspect, which is exactly the comb!
Thank you!
I've made nice super lathers in the past using MWF and Cremo cream. I think that Mitchell's Wool Fat soap and Cremo's incredibly slick n0n-lathering cream fits your specs. No?All of the above, in particularly the slick lather suggestion is a MUST. If it dries the blade will skip and nick you. I've used shallow and steep angle and boy you can tell the difference with the blade touching the skin.
Easy goes and no nicks or weepers
OK...this part is very helpful. Pressure is essential for this to work. That goes so much against my training and experience that it stretches believability. Steep angle? Pressure you say? Heresy...to the guillotine! Off with their heads!Edgar, thanks for the diagram. I have taken the liberty of adding a piece. The key piece of the R41 shave, I believe.
I roughly sketched the comb in green over your image. The comb rolls the skin changing its angle of approach radically, so the blade does not actually cut at the original 75 degrees, but at a much more shallow angle. The skin rolls over the comb changing its angle. The skin is also stretched by the comb. Shallow angle shaving greatly diminishes the combs effectiveness. Steep angle shaving engages the comb's benefits.
OK...this part is very helpful. Pressure is essential for this to work. That goes so much against my training and experience that it stretches believability. Steep angle? Pressure? Heresy...to the guillotine!
Thanks for the clarification. I'm going to shake my head, do my prep and follow the directions as provided. I'll assume the first shaves will be part of the learning curve, but will post my initial impressions anyway.
Very helpful diagrams, much appreciated. I've been using a Fatip Grande for the last 19 shaves, with a very shallow angle(30-40*) and am getting very good results this way. I wasn't aware that the open comb served so many functions as mentioned in above posts. But my using a shallow angle entirely bypasses these as the comb hardly plays any role. I would like to learn how to incorporate its benefits. I understand what the OP is trying to do (with the r41) and will be following these results closely.
I am curious to know if I could replicate these results with my Fatip and will this be useful for all aggressive open comb razors?
To aimsport and nuclerblast, I am not able to understand the application of pressure. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying to gently push down on the open comb until the blade is just felt?
No ... do not use any pressure. Just shave as you usually do, only using a steep angle if you are willing to try it. I do not own a FaTip, but many people have tried the steep angle with it too, and they reported great results.
Really, forget about the pressure part, NO additional pressure is necessary! Light pressure and firm grip, that's all. Short rapid strokes too.
Try it with the Fatip and report back!