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What I am learning about shave brushes

I recieved this 30mm, Silvertip Firehouse Shave brush from Whipped Dog (below)
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a few weeks ago, and have been evaluating it's performance against what I am used to. As you can see, it is quite beautiful, give or take for my choice of handle colors. Thought chartreuse was green, but it's snot, and the handle syles all look different with different plug widths (would have been made easier with a wider array of photographs for examples), but I'm not posting to discuss that. It is a wide brush which is densely packed with luxuriant bristles which look and feel like they should only perform better than the old brush which it would have replaced, which is the very narrow and thin black badger from Colonel Conk below:

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This is the brush which I have been using since I began straight-razor shaving, and it gets a little thinner each time I use it from shedding a few bristles, despite the fact that I rinse it out carefully, hang it to drain upside-down, and I never press when I whisk it around in the bowl. Well, I did this all wrong the first month or two that I used it, but it still does this after several months of doing everything right. Despite the issue of being so thin, it still performs better by putting more soap on my face (and the difference is huge) than my dense and much bigger Silvertip brush. If somebody had told me that this would turn out to be so, I would not have believed them, but this has been my experience with Larry's (Whipped Dog) Silvertip brush, and I find it a little perplexing. I'm not slamming Larry here, and there is no apparent quality issue - I can't doubt that his very popular brushes are any less than the standard.

I also have, and have used a recent edition of the B&B Special (boar). The boar bristles are quite beautiful, and they can really lift your whiskers, but being so coarse they really aren't the best for picking up a lot of soap for transfer to your face.

The issue with my 30mm Silvertip brush (far as I can see it) is that I am not getting much of the soap which I can see is on the bristles transferred to my face. Whether it's the black badger or the silvertip which I am using, I swirl it around in the bowl for at least a minute, never pressing, and wetting the bristles good about three times (this is how I measure the appropriate amount of water to avoid making the soap to dry or runny - wet once, swirl a few times, repeat the process twice and then go for a minute). The soap covers over a half inch of the outside of my fat, silvertip brush with wet soap, but the ends of it's bristles on my face never put an adequate amount on my face. It seems to just soak back into the bristles, which won't let go of it! I still have to pick bristles from my CC black badger bristles out of my soap puck when it's used, but I currently don't have anything that performs better for putting the soap where I need it.

Has anyone else had this experience? If so, what do you think are the critical factors which caused this? Is it the width of the brush, the density of the bristles, or other properties (silvertip vs black badger) that make the difference in making a brush actually useful, as opposed to just beautiful? Would my silvertip experience have been different with a narrower brush?
 
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I just bought a beautiful silvertip brush from WSP and am having the exact same issue when using soaps . I can only chock it up to user error , because it works great with creams . I think that I definitely have some learning to do when it comes to using a badger brush . I have no problem with my many boars .
 
Be like an artist...gather a variety of brushes for different situations.
They love hot water, a nice amount of soap and lots of strokes.

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+1! Don't be shy with loading it and make sure the brush isn't too dry.

So, do you concur with Danricgro on big brushes needing more product before they will release any? I ask because I was fairly confident that I could not have sopped up any more soap to that brush when it was good and wet. It didn't seem to want to let go of the soap (I was actually using soap), not until I rinsed it out under the tap after giving up on it for the day, and then a lot went down the drain!

Do you concur on the notion that silvertip brushes perform better with cream than with soap? If not, then should I expect equal or better performance over my black badger with a quality silvertip brush of equal size, no matter what I load it with?
 
I was just reading somewhere that although badger brushes do have a short break in time . Not like boars were the tips soften , but the knot does relax or open up a bit with use and allow better flow through . That's good news to me . I also was disappointed and thought I was stuck just using creams for my new brush. We'll see how that goes .
 
Do you concur on the notion that silvertip brushes perform better with cream than with soap?
I don't. I only use my silvertips with soap.

Are you face lathering or bowl lathering? It's not clear from your posts. The issue is definitely technique as many of use dense silvertips with soap.

I also have, and have used a recent edition of the B&B Special (boar). The boar bristles are quite beautiful, and they can really lift your whiskers, but being so coarse they really aren't the best for picking up a lot of soap for transfer to your face.
Some prefer boars because they pick up more soap. Again, sounds like a matter of technique. You're used to your first brush and it's going to take some adjustments.
 
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Load the brush longer and shake out more water. Not only do larger brushes need more soap to load, but they also hold a lot more water. If you don't shake out some then you'll just have to load that much more at the beginning.
 
I don't. I only use my silvertips with soap.

Are you face lathering or bowl lathering? It's not clear from your posts. The issue is definitely technique as many of use dense silvertips with soap.
I bowl-lather with soap (hard puck soap which I believe is either glycerin or tallow), and I face-lather with creams. I very recently discovered cream, which I realized can be easily face-lathered with only a few mg of it which any brush can easily pick out of the original container with no mess, and no waste. However, I've since been trying to get through my stock of hard soaps, and never attempted face-lathering or using anything other than the soap with my new brush.

I don't. I only use my silvertips with soap.
Some prefer boars because they pick up more soap. Again, sounds like a matter of technique. You're used to your first brush and it's going to take some adjustments.
Do you mean that the boar picks up more soap from a lathering bowl? If so, has that been so with the B&B Essential boar? I used mine almost exclusively for about a month before going back to the black badger, just as I used the badger (for bowl-lathering). It looks great, and I won't knock the quality for the price, but I can't say that the soap transfer was nearly as efficient for the technique and time applied with the badger.
 
Load the brush longer and shake out more water. Not only do larger brushes need more soap to load, but they also hold a lot more water. If you don't shake out some then you'll just have to load that much more at the beginning.
Thank you!
 
Do you know what the loft is set at for your Whipped Dog? I don't know what kind of loft would be appropriate for a knot that big, but if it is set too low, then that could also be part of your problem. More knowledgeable folks than myself could help with knowing what loft would be a good setting, but if it's any less than 60mm, it could be "choking" your flow-through a bit.

That said, "more product" is usually a good place to start your trouble-shooting.
 
Do you know what the loft is set at for your Whipped Dog? I don't know what kind of loft would be appropriate for a knot that big, but if it is set too low, then that could also be part of your problem. More knowledgeable folks than myself could help with knowing what loft would be a good setting, but if it's any less than 60mm, it could be "choking" your flow-through a bit.

Thank you for that useful information!

I measured apprx. 1 + 7/8 in, which I think converts to 48mm - yikes, that's a bit short alright. I don't know what's up with the images that I loaded (they aren't displaying now in my browser), but I always thought this brush looked either a little sawn off, or maybe jammed in too far. Disappointed with Larry, who seems to be well-reputed here!
 
I had the same thought when I got my 24mm Whipped Dog brush...it sucked up all the lather and never released any! But once I started face lathering, it got much better. When bowl lathering (especially with creams), it seems like the lather gets sucked into the knot. But face lathering, it holds lather for more passes. Now I prefer really short loft brushes with bigger knots.

The big kicker for me was loading up the brush with soap, scrubbing on a wet face, then re-wetting the brush so everything gets mixed really well. That seems to work great with the WD brush and I get a lot of nice lather.

Now, 30mm is a HUGE brush, so you might still have an issue with it holding a ton of lather and using up a lot of product.
 
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