TOBS (and probably others) and Triethanolamine (TEA)

[atomheartmother]

Anyone put thought or research into Triethanolamine (TEA) or other ethanolamines? TOBS contains TEA and I’d suspect other shave products do as do many personal care/beauty products do. They’re apparently suspected carcinogens, and some of them are banned in Europe(-an Union?). I recognize there could be bias in this website. They do cite a lot of primary sources/research that appear credible to the eye.

Ethanolamine Compounds (MEA, DEA, TEA And Others)

Ethanolamines are present in many consumer products ranging from cosmetics, personal care products and household cleaning products. Both have been linked to liver tumors. The European Commission prohibits diethanolamine (DEA) in cosmetics, to reduce contamination from carcinogenic nitrosamines. [1]

www.safecosmetics.org

 

[sarimento1]

I did research. This looks benign. Fearmongers do whatever they can.
"The Cosmetic Ingredient Review has found that ethanolamine ingredients are safe as currently used in cosmetics and personal care products. FDA includes TEA, DEA and ethanolamine on its list of allowed indirect food additives."

Ethanolamines - Chemical Safety Facts

Ethanolamines are a family of chemicals that work as surfactants and emulsifying ingredients in personal care and cleaning products.

www.chemicalsafetyfacts.org

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Love my TOBS creams! Please don't take them away!

 

[BudgetShaverGuy]

 

[atomheartmother]

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Prolly some TEA in his make up there. I like TOBS, too. The sandalwood scent is really growing on me despite not liking it so much at first.

 

[lasta]

TEA is only known to cause cancer in California.

 

[JCinPA]

 

[The Roof Seal]

It makes up a large proportion of canned foam and Gillette loves putting that stuff in everything, even aftershaves and balms. Gillette allegedly sensitive foam made my face break out but I've used other foam that has TEA just fine. I avoid it when I can alongside dimethicone, even if it is mostly harmless.

 

[abies]

Anyone put thought or research into Triethanolamine (TEA) or other ethanolamines? TOBS contains TEA and I’d suspect other shave products do as do many personal care/beauty products do. They’re apparently suspected carcinogens, and some of them are banned in Europe(-an Union?). I recognize there could be bias in this website. They do cite a lot of primary sources/research that appear credible to the eye.

Ethanolamine Compounds (MEA, DEA, TEA And Others)

Ethanolamines are present in many consumer products ranging from cosmetics, personal care products and household cleaning products. Both have been linked to liver tumors. The European Commission prohibits diethanolamine (DEA) in cosmetics, to reduce contamination from carcinogenic nitrosamines. [1]

www.safecosmetics.org

I think the concern is less about the EAs per se than their contamination with or reaction into nitrosamines. A lot of stuff is like that.

 

[Borderboss]

I have to be honest. I don't care. All of these "suspected of causing cancer" means they really, truly don't know and someone wants to "be safe". Shaving cream is on my face for a total of about two minutes a day. Seems like the old saccharin thing from decades ago, where if you drank 800 gallons a day, you might be affected. Lots more stuff in life to worry about.

 

[Brutus]

Anyone put thought or research into Triethanolamine (TEA) or other ethanolamines? TOBS contains TEA and I’d suspect other shave products do as do many personal care/beauty products do. They’re apparently suspected carcinogens, and some of them are banned in Europe(-an Union?). I recognize there could be bias in this website. They do cite a lot of primary sources/research that appear credible to the eye.

I have taken the liberty to highlight all terms above that are indication of waffle (i.e., vague) or plain incorrect.
And yes, I am biased against this sort of thing.


First: Tea is one on the most commonly consumed beverages and has been used for centuries.
(For certain north american markets a warning might be under consideration, as there is circumstantial evidence that sticking one’s head into a bucket of tea for over two minutes may lead to drowning.)
Second: Triethylamine is the chemical compound with the formula N(CH2CH3)3. It is also abbreviated TEA
Third: Triethanolamine, or TEOA, is an organic compound with the chemical formula N(CH2CH2OH)3.


I made a brief checklist:
1.) TEOA may cause liver tumors in mice… N/A
(Not a mouse)

2.) A 2007 study found TEOA in ear drops caused a contact allergy. N/A
(Not using, but will keep in mind I should become a habitual user.)

3.) A 2001 study found TEOA in a sunscreen caused an allergic contact dermatitis. N/A
(Not using, but will keep in mind I should become a habitual user.) N/A


For the benefit of all, may I ask that you get your facts right and at the very least use correct abbreviations?
(We are not in politics here…)


My assessment of the severity of the crisis:
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on…




B.

 

[SydneyShaver]

Late to this thread, but inclusions of ingredients like this are why I have deviated away from shaving creams completely. Shaving Soap that is comprised of safe, completely organic ingredients is a dime a dozen. Most creams need sudsing and detergent agents just to build into a lather.

 

[atomheartmother]

I have taken the liberty to highlight all terms above that are indication of waffle (i.e., vague) or plain incorrect.
And yes, I am biased against this sort of thing.


First: Tea is one on the most commonly consumed beverages and has been used for centuries.
(For certain north american markets a warning might be under consideration, as there is circumstantial evidence that sticking one’s head into a bucket of tea for over two minutes may lead to drowning.)
Second: Triethylamine is the chemical compound with the formula N(CH2CH3)3. It is also abbreviated TEA
Third: Triethanolamine, or TEOA, is an organic compound with the chemical formula N(CH2CH2OH)3.


I made a brief checklist:
1.) TEOA may cause liver tumors in mice… N/A
(Not a mouse)

2.) A 2007 study found TEOA in ear drops caused a contact allergy. N/A
(Not using, but will keep in mind I should become a habitual user.)

3.) A 2001 study found TEOA in a sunscreen caused an allergic contact dermatitis. N/A
(Not using, but will keep in mind I should become a habitual user.) N/A


For the benefit of all, may I ask that you get your facts right and at the very least use correct abbreviations?
(We are not in politics here…)


My assessment of the severity of the crisis:
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on…




B.

Yet, against all odds you still knew what I was talking about. The fact that you dismiss research that indicates the possibility of tumor development in mice because you’re not a mouse exposes your lack of basic understanding of science, thus rendering your gibbering rant inert.

 

[Kentos]

It is what it is. Do your research and make your decision to use or not a product. Different countries have differing thresholds for determining safe levels of whatever compounds that are used in consumer products. With the myriad of chemical compounds already in our foods, water and environment much of this could be construed as academic.

Personal attacks are frowned upon amongst gentlemanly folk such as ourselves, and as such this thread has run it’s course.