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Not used for razors yet, but I just "harvested" another dozen or so stones to lap. I have tested the edge from these and it is suitable for razors! I will update with more progress and pics as I go along with razors on these. Mostly using the grey one now.

So I have been hell bent to try and source some stone locally that can serve as a sharpening stone. I have collected a few pieces over the last month or so of rockhounding twice a week. I am not a geologist, so all I can conclusively tell you is that they are indeed rocks.

First one is hard, very very hard! It chipped out my Estwing rock hammer severely and took almost 7 hours of hand lapping with a 220# diamond stone to get a reasonably flat surface. It has a soapy feel to it, hard as can be, slow stone.

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The next one is a very fine stone, it feels like an 10K stone at first but building a slurry it quikckly slows down and works like a much finer stone. It needs a 30 minute soak seems like. It cracked across the face once I started lapping it, so I won't be able to hone razors on it, but knives are no problem. It is slower that the other stone, but softer and leaves a finer polish with self slurry.

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I was unaware of how I should use these stones, at worst they will end up in the fish tank! I did some experimenting with various steels, kitchen knives, pocket knives, plane blades, hard steels to soft steel. These two rocks didn't gouge like the others I tried, the grit seemed fine enough and uniform enough to work, so I pretty much just went with the flow. I am not a very good freehand knife sharpener, but I can normally get a very sharp edge on all my knives, and edge bevels are pretty consistant, but not perfect. so this was good motivation to learn freehand sharpening.

The knife I really tried to work on was a wood workers marking knife I made a year or so ago. It is 1080 steel, ground, heat treated and sharpened by me. It has excellent edge retention, is not a super tough steel, easy to sharpen as well.

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Here is a shot of the edge after using the black stone only, it polishes up nicely!

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It took about 15 minutes to take the working class edge and get it to hair popping sharp, but I wanted to be able to whittle hair from freehand sharpening! I focused on my blade angle, consistancy, pressure, water on the stones, my breathing, and everything else I could think of. The knife is chisel ground with a slight URA grind on the back side. No stropping, no nagura stones, nothing but the edge it had and these two rocks! I finished the blade on the black one and used the white for some corrective passes.

A few mintes later and testing the edge it will now whittle hair along its entire length of edge!!!

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I am soo happy that I have been able to do this! Not just find suitable stones, but to freehand sharpen to this degree has been very satisfying. Any and all educated guesses on the rocks would be appreciated.


-Xander
 
Thanx David! As a side note, I sharpened up my edc knife on the grey one, then went to stropping with a CrO2 loaded balsa bench strop and the CrO2 left scratches in the surface! I have experimented a little more than just what's in the post, finding that I can set a bevel by using the greay stone without slurry all the way to finishing with a self slurry and just some plain leather stropping! I'm very pleased with these stones. The grey one in the pics above somehow broke (no body at my house seems to know how, either...) so I just cut and lapped a new one today before work.


-Xander
 
I will. I was tempted to try power lapping on my 9" disc grinder, but was worried about heat build up and I have no way to water cool while on the disc. That and I'm sure the dust from these stones can't be good when airborne! I have a good respirator, but just don't like the idea of my dog or anyone else coming in while I'm working and not having lung protection.

The grey stones are pretty quick, taking only about 15 minutes on average if it is a reasonable natural flat to start. I cut any major highs off with a saw first.

I'm considering a pass around of one when I get all of them cut and lapped. I'm liking the grey stone more than the white one, and now that I've been using them more I'm finding the best ways to use them.


-Xander
 
Just for info, here's the formation as found...

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And here are some of the potential hones...the big one the hammer is on is about 6x8"

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-Xander
 
Yeah, but the dust is so fine, it feels like corn starch. Its bad enough that I have to cut it with a hand saw. Plus I want to keep the vibrations and heat build up to a minimum. Until I get a wet saw, I'm just gonna keep it done by hand. I've noticed that if I put too much pressure on a deformation trying to lap it out it chips out. These are somewhat fragile, but don't wear down that easy. Think of it as a nice neat stack of bricks, no mortar or anything, it can hold up a ton of weight, but it you put pressure on just one brick it falls off the stack. One bad pass with a rounded knife edge and it can gouge it slightly or possibly chip it out. It sure made me focus on my sharpening skill!


-Xander
 
agreed very cool, Xander!

as a non-geologist myself, I can only concur with your reasonable assessment that they are indeed... rocks.

LOL (that line literally cracked me up btw)

have you checked out the rocks under a microscope to see what they look like under magnification? I guarantee there are some geologist professors - or grad students at the very least - at some of the local Universities that may be willing to help you out. How cool would that be?

and, if you do decide a pass around, I'd certainly be game to try em - whether it's for razors or pocket knives etc.
 
Josh, I don't own a microscope, and hve yet to contact the universities in town. My wife works at the JC so I wonder if I can possbly sneak a chunk into the electron microscopy lab and also have a spectral laser scan done to get a elemental make up.

I am having conversations about these with a buddy that was a professional rock hound for years, he did scouting for mines and such, as well as recreational 'hounding.So far we have considered it to be either a type of shale or mud stone. Mudstone is a petrified mud made from silt. I live in the middle of the San Joaquin River delta and mud stone is very possible. Although, these were havested along the levees of a (natural) river that were stabilized with rip rap quarried from the Folsom area. Much of it is a form of granite, but it is usually just piled on top, these were in the ground, looking like they may have been there from the building of the levees. Until scientific evidence is in hand, it is all just speculation.

The real "cool factor" for me is shaving with a self made kamisori that was honed on a self harvested stone! Let's see where this goes from here!


-Xander
 
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makes sense with the 'slippage' you are describing - but can't wait to hear more about this as you find out what these are....

I've learned a lot about the garnet and other composition of the Coticle mines of the Ardennes, tho working with the JNats that I've been playing with lately I've become quite curious what the geological make up is of the stones - I've loooong forgotten the bulk of what I learned in College geology courses and the last 20 years my interest in sedimentary rocks at least has been limited to fossils (lots of shale in my area too - surrounding the coal deposits especially) tho I have been collecting crystals and the like my whole life

and I can only imagine the satisfaction - as a fly fisherman who ties my own flies and who has built a few of my own rods.. there is a level of satisfaction that's very hard to put into words :)

definitely behind you on this adventure!!!
 
Wait a second..........you don't have a respirator for your dog?

Haha! Shop rules in my shop, if anyone needs me for anything while I'm making dust (or fumes) is to kill the power and wait for me to come out. I have my outlets switched just inside the door where the light switch would normally be. Usually the wife just texts me because I tend to be streaming internet radio through my phone and have ear phones on. They double for hearing protection and keeping dust out of my ears.

If my dog wants or needs my attention I stop what I'm doing and go outside, I give full focus and attention to my work and try to avoid injuries that way. Besides, I can't get him to keep it on!


-X
 
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