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Obsessive Maundering on Cremo Cream and Shave Oil

First, some facts. Shaving soap works, in part, by lifting the cuticles on the hair shafts, allowing water to enter the matrix, inserting itself between molecular bonds, and weakening the hair shaft. Dry hair is roughly as hard as copper wire of corresponding diameter; when water gets in the hair it is weakened considerably. The lifting of the cuticle and the penetration of water is enhanced in an alkaline medium and soap is alkaline.

The hydrated and chemically weakened hair shafts are cut more easily by the razor than dry shafts are. This is a reason why razor blades last longer when the beard is properly prepared than if the shave were performed with the whiskers dry.

Some suggest hair conditioner can be used as a substitute for shaving cream. I find this counterintuitive. Hair conditioner works by causing the cuticle on the hair shafts to lie flat and tight; this would inhibit penetration by water.

Now, conjectures on my part without any facts to support them. I notice that when I shave with Cremo Cream I feel more tugging on the razor than I do with traditional shave creams. The skin lubrication is fine but the razor drags or catches on the whiskers.

The thought occurs to me that Cremo Cream may work on the hair conditioner principle; i.e., it provides skin lubrication but does not enhance water penetration into the hair shafts.

A consequence of this phenomenon might be that the whiskers are cut more obliquely to the long axes of the shafts causing sharper stubble than the more-or-less transverse cuts with traditional shave cream. Sharp stubble would theoretically foster pseudofolliculitis barbae (PFB), also known as razor bumps.

If my baseless suppositions are true, razor blades have shorter lives with Cremo Cream than with traditional shaving.

Shaving Oil. I suspect shaving oil and preshaving oil work on the same principle as hair conditioner and Cremo Cream; i.e., lubrication without hydration. However, if the whiskers are hydrated before the application of the oil, the oil might temporarily seal water in the hair shafts.

Nevertheless, I speculate that the interaction of the shave cream with the oil might consume some of the surfactant in the shave cream and diminish some of the cream's effectiveness.

Your comments are respectfully solicited.
 
Interesting read. I cannot recall any pulling when I used it last. It will be the cream of choice for tomorrow mornings shave.
 
These are interesting proposals, but the tugging may simply be the result of a lather that needs more water. I have found that a razor can drag and tug for me if the lather is on the dry side, gumming up the works.
 
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westpac690:

I'd like a girlfriend, too, but my wife of 42 years says I can't afford one.

KeNd0:

Please post your experience with Creamo for this morning's shave.

beginish:

I'll follow your advice and make a wetter lather this morning.

Pogo
 
westpac690:

KeNd0:

Please post your experience with Creamo for this morning's shave.


Pogo


Shower, Proraso pre-shave, Thrice used Feather in my Toggle. Great shave. While there was no pulling with the feather. This morning was supposed to be my newly acquired Psychos maiden shave. I pulled it out and did a couple of passes with it, and while it glided across the skin, it did seem to pull a little. It may have been the blade, as it was loaded with a BlueBird, and I don`t have a lot of experience with them. (Let me stop you all before you remind me to change one thing at a time. I know. Sometimes the bad voices make me do these things:001_huh:)

Anyways I`ll make Cremo my lather for the week and see how it goes. I`ll try it with a Lord Platinum in my Toggle next.
 
After reading the directions and description of Cremo Cream and a shave oil I have, it doesn't seem to me that the job of either product is to hydrate the hair. That would be the purpose of beard prep. The directions for Cremo Cream state to use the hottest water you can stand for 30 seconds, or after shower or hot towel. This would hydrate the beard hair but does nothing to protect the skin while shaving, which is what shave cream is for.

I have been using Cremo Cream this past week while on vacation. The thing I notice about it is that it takes on water well and needs it to activate and create the slippery substance that makes for a comfortable shave.

I am not sure on the longevity of the blade as I just rotate them out of habit ever weekend. In other words, I don't worry about it.

Shaving oil and pre-shaving oils as I understand are different. Given that most of us will use a brush when using shave soap, it stands to reason that the possibility of the oil being displaced by applying the shave soap is going to happen.

So with that being noted, good beard prep should negate the need for the shave oil. Pre-shave oil as a beard prep would help break down the hair for an easier shave. My experiences with two different products would be King of Shaves Alphaoil and Art of Shaving pre shave oil. Both tried on curiosity and not part of daily shaving.
 
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KeNd0:

I've experienced the call of bad voices, too.

Never heard of a Psycho razor before and had to look it up on Google. Very interesting. Thanks for the reference.

Please keep us posted with your Cremo Cream experiences.

Sueto:

Like you, I've read the directions that come with Cremo Cream and with shave oil. My experience is that 30 seconds of hot water is insufficient to hydrate whiskers adequately.

If I read you correctly, you're saying shave oil is bootless. I agree fully. However, I don't know what you mean by pre-shave oil breaking down hair for an easier shave.

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In my experience, shaving oil does not interfere with a good shave, and my increase the quality of the shave some. I usually apply it in the shower and rinse my face before getting out. The idea of the oil (I think) is to moisturize the SKIN, which helps to make it less likely to be cut. I don't think the oil was ever designed to do anything with regard to preparing the actual HAIRS.

JMHO. I could be wrong.
 
Kinda, sorta. As I remember from barber school many years ago, the outer layer of the hair shaft is the cuticle, made of hard, keratin-protein "shingles; under it is the cortex.

Traditional shave soaps/creams are alkaline in Ph [your skin is normally acid, 4.5 Ph] so as to cause the "shingles" of the cuticle to lift and open, and allow the warm water and tallow/glycerin soap to enter, swell and soften the cortex, setting up the hair shaft to be easily cut by the razor.

I know for certain that the Italian products such as Proraso, Valobra, Cella etc are alkaline, and the "3Ts" and most "traditional" cremes and soaps are too.That's why the do such a good job.

Other more modern shave products rely on silicone, hot water and other "slippery" products and have a different effect. I agree that Cremo does not give as good a shave as the traditional ones.

You can easily but litmus paper and test various products...
 
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kingfisher:

We agree that shave oil is not intended to prepare the hair for shaving and, implicitly, that the oil lubricates the skin.

Sparafucile:

Thank you for supporting my prejudices and guesses with your authoritative information.

My experience is consistent with your statement that traditional, alkaline, shave soaps and creams give the best results.

I had suspected that modern shave products relied on silicone and other lubricants, not whisker hydration. Thank you for the confirmation.

My best wishes to you and to your sister, Maddalena.

Pogo
 
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I notice that when I shave with Cremo Cream I feel more tugging on the razor than I do with traditional shave creams.

Hi Pogo,

I've noticed the same thing with Cremo but for me it hasn't affected the quality of the shave, it's just a different feeling when cutting. At first I thought the tugging would cause irritation but it hasn't. So far I've gotten good results with Cremo, the only negative is I seem to go through a lot of it if I use it brush-less because I need 3 lather-ups per shave.
 
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RazoRock:

Yup, my experience, too; although, I get an easier, closer, faster shave with traditional products.

Thanks for the confirmation.

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Following the discussion of Sparafucile, I washed my face with alkaline liquid soap and then mixed more soap with Cremo Cream and worked it in my beard. I gave the wash and the working-in of the soap/Cremo Cream over three minutes to allow hydration of the stubble.

The shave went well-enough with less whisker-drag than with Cremo-Cream alone.

Rinsing after the shave was repeated and prolonged; I never felt I got all the lather off my face, but this has been a problem with Cremo Cream alone.

Still dislike the scent of Creamsicle/SunnyD when I'm shaving although it's less objectionable than the older coconut scent.

In summary, I prefer traditional (alkaline) shave soaps and creams; they give me a closer, more satisfying shave.

Pogo
 
I can't speak to science of hair hydration and which part of the shave routine contributes to it the most, but as for a general review, Cremo is always a good product to me and I'm never without a tube.

I always use it with a brush (I can make a little go a long way), and after a shower and face wash. Of course, the lather's not rich and creamy, but based upon the ingredients, that doesn't appear to be necessary for a good shave (or the intent of the product). Using a brush, I have enough for 3+ passes, and on my heavy beard the level of tugging is on par with my other creams and soaps that are more well known (Proraso, Musgo, TOBS)...which is to say there is not much tugging at all (assuming the blade's still sharp and I don't go too light on the water in the lather).

Interesting thread...I look forward to seeing more responses.
 
I can't speak to science of hair hydration and which part of the shave routine contributes to it the most, but as for a general review, Cremo is always a good product to me and I'm never without a tube.

I always use it with a brush (I can make a little go a long way), and after a shower and face wash. Of course, the lather's not rich and creamy, but based upon the ingredients, that doesn't appear to be necessary for a good shave (or the intent of the product). Using a brush, I have enough for 3+ passes, and on my heavy beard the level of tugging is on par with my other creams and soaps that are more well known (Proraso, Musgo, TOBS)...which is to say there is not much tugging at all (assuming the blade's still sharp and I don't go too light on the water in the lather).

Interesting thread...I look forward to seeing more responses.

I too very much enjoy Cremo cream. I do not experience any tugging beyond what I might occassionally get with any other cream or soap, and it gives me a smooth, irritation-free shave. I like it best with my brush and a bowl, but it's biggest value to me is brushless on mornings where I'm running late for work or court. Like, for instance, this morning!


I just caught the Metra train I needed to catch, and I have a presentable shave for court, all because Cremo allowed me to do a brushless, single-pass shave. Now, if only Cremo could fix my case...
 
I have been using Cremo as a mix with my Col. Conk to add a little more lubricity. Will shave with Cremo only and a brush today, and see if it is dragging or pulling, and report back.
 
Just shaved with the Cremo only, using a brush. It did not pull or drag. That said, I missed the cushion of lather, and won't be using Cremo alone again unless it is with an M3 for when I hit the road without a DE.
 
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CremoCream:

I was all ver klempt when I read your gut gezugt post and have gornisht to add except that a Google search of “pH Cremo Cream” reports that Cremo has a “balanced” pH which suggests it’s near 7, or neutral.

I respectfully suggest you not describe yourself as a “goy.” Although the word means “someone of the ‘nations,’” i.e., non-Jewish nations, it has taken on a pejorative connotation. Regretfully, I have no alternate noun to suggest.

Nevertheless, you should kvell for having developed Cremo Cream. It’s a fine product for those it suits and at the price it sells for, it's a real metsieh, just a shandeh it doesn’t work for me.

Gay ga zinta hate,

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