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First full Coticule honing

Marco

B&B's Man in Italy
Yesterday I did my first full Coticule honing and it was a success. In the last months I’ve been very intrigued by these natural stones and the beautiful videos of Mr. Gary Haywood have truly fascinated me. Before this my honing stones were the Naniwa Super Stones. With these synthetic Japanese water-stones I could get very good keen edges, even without any further paste, powder or spray after the 12K level. My friend Alfredo (Doc226) was also kind enough to test a Naniwa edge for me and he did confirm that it was sharp and nice. What he felt on his skin was a light “synthetic burn” afterwards and while I don’t get this, I just wanted something natural to use with a smoother feel. I also must confess that I was very intrigued by the idea of using one single stone in place of a progression of different stones in different grit levels. On Doc’s advice I started (and am still continuing) a long e-mail correspondence with our friend in common David (Obiwan), who is a huge expert and fan of Coticules (as most of you already know Alfredo has a certain love for JNATS…). I really have to publicly thank David for all his great suggestions, help and patience with my many questions. So, about two weeks ago, I got a selected La Grise 175 x 50 mm with slurry stone and box, directly from Ardennes. Here Maurice was very kind and he did personally hand inspect my Coti before shipping. Superb customer service from a very knowledgeable and friendly person. My stone arrived in perfect shape and all I had to do was to flatten the surface with my DMT 325 and lightly chamfer the edges. My first attempts in using it were little touch-ups on a previously honed Boker Piccadilly, which I had honed on my SS. I immediately got that nice, smooth feel and I was extremely satisfied. Yesterday was the big day and I decided to do a full honing job on a brand new Dovo Carre. First thing was to dull the edge on glass and set a new bevel with my Chosera 1K. After that I did create a slurry on my La Grise of milky consistency trying to keep in mind it did not had to be too thick or too dry, just a watery white slurry. I did work in sets of 15 half strokes and used finger drops of water for dilutions. I did about ten dilution steps and when I started to notice slurry collecting over the edge, I knew it was a good sign. After the dilutions I gave the stone a good splash of water leaving some slurry on and did another set of 15 half strokes. Then, I rinsed both stone and razor well and did my last two sets of 15 half strokes on water only. Final step was about 60 very light X strokes under running water. It was time for the HHT test and it revealed to be unbelievably good! I got an excellent HHT 3 off of the stone and HHT 4 post linen/leather stropping! The shave that I had this morning was smooth, very, very smooth. I’m in love.

P.S. Pics of my razor and stone with detail of the edge post honing.


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Impressive that you achieved this on your first attempt.
Some have mentioned that a Dovo is a bit finicky on getting an edge but glad to know you tamed the beast.
Surely cannot wait to start on honing my own - items on order and coming my way.
Thanks for all the details and sharing your experience.
Myron
 
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Wonderful Marco! A beautiful razor, and probably the finest example of La Grise I have ever seen. Welcome to the Coticule my Friend!
 
Nice, glad your maiden voyage was a huge success.
Cotis are wonderful stones to hone with.
IMO - Synthetic stones, pastes, etc. can't hold a candle to them in most regards.
For all their alleged imperfections, cost, etc - there is no denying the je ne sais quoi factor they possess. It's not hype or snake-oil, they really do have all the factors inside them and they do deliver the goods. Learning them does take effort, but as you have proven - great results from a Coticule are not solely under the domain of the Coti-Gurus.
 

Marco

B&B's Man in Italy
Impressive that you achieved this on your first attempt.
Some have mentioned that a Dovo is a bit finicky on getting an edge but glad to know you tamed the beast.
Surely cannot wait to start on honing my own - items on order and coming my say.
Thanks for all the details and sharing your experience.
Myron

It actually was quite easy to work with this new Dovo. It did take me a lot more time setting the bevel on my Boker Piccadilly. Probably because of the harder steel? Maybe, I'm not sure.
 
I use man made because they are consistent and I didnt want to attempt to buy a stone that I knew nothing about. Im ignorant to cotis and naturals as I have never tried them before. After the 12k i use either lap film, crox, pasted leather diamond paste or .25 slurry on felt. Im gonna stay away for a little while. If I start looking, I will want one real bad and then........
 
Congratulation my friend. I'm glad things are going well. Keep at it, the chase for the last 2% of each stone is quite fun. As much as I love my Jnats, I still need to use my coticules a few times a week also.

Bravo!
 
This makes me excited for my coti to arrive in the mail. I was fearing it would take weeks of patience to work up a technique and a beautiful edge.
 
It's a funny thing..I have been honing my own and other peoples razors for sometime now...never had a complaint and loving it!..lol...for the first time I actually "touched up" a razor I got...it was still pretty sharp..but wasnt at the "level" of not needing anything to bring the smooth and keen edge back again...so I told myself "no more DMT1200 stone unless its totally dull, which it wasnt"..so on my combo coti it went..man...so simple and quick!!...anyways thought I would share my "touch up" coticule story :lol:
 
This makes me excited for my coti to arrive in the mail. I was fearing it would take weeks of patience to work up a technique and a beautiful edge.

But don't get discouraged if it does take a bit of time to develop a system that works for you. It took me a few months to be able to get consistent edges off my coticules as I was experimenting with several different techniques (Unicot, Dilucot, Eliipticot, etc...)..Eventually you'll find one (or a combination of a few) that works for you, and it's a great feeling when you're actually able to duplicate your results!
 
I started out with nortons. when i got into coticules there was no dilucot or unicot method so i struggled for a while untill barts methods arived on the scene . I don't think you can go wrong with your 1k C and coticule thats all you will ever need ... its hard to describe the feel of a perfect coticule edge but you can notise the differance straight away . congarts with your stone

gary
 

Marco

B&B's Man in Italy
I started out with nortons. when i got into coticules there was no dilucot or unicot method so i struggled for a while untill barts methods arived on the scene . I don't think you can go wrong with your 1k C and coticule thats all you will ever need ... its hard to describe the feel of a perfect coticule edge but you can notise the differance straight away . congarts with your stone

gary

Mr. Haywood, thank you wholeheartedly for your beautiful videos on honing with the dilucot method - they have been of great help and are very, very inspiring. At the moment I feel comfortable setting the bevel on the Chosera 1K and then starting to make dilutions on my Coti. Maybe one day I could use a Coticule only for the entire honing job, as you have masterfully shown. My best regards.
 
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