So I got one of my brushes today and started cutting out the old knot. I ran into a little problem. If you look at the picture you can see a little "rim" around where the old knot used to be, but that is the same color plastic of the handle. Do I remove this collar looking thing?
Brush Restoration... Do I remove this?
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I typically drill out all that junk. It really depends on the knot diameter you intend to use.
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Alright... cool. How deep should I go? It seems like there is this "pink" resin stuff underneath.... it seems to go pretty deep. FYI this is an Ever Ready 100T. Thanks.
I get rid of that stuff too.
You will probably break into the hollow lower section about 1.5cm down. I would drill into the lower section then fill it to make a new completely stable "floor" on which to set the new knot.
You will probably break into the hollow lower section about 1.5cm down. I would drill into the lower section then fill it to make a new completely stable "floor" on which to set the new knot.
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Awesome. Thanks for the advice. What type of bit do you recommend? Spade?
I would not use a spade bit as it can catch the soft plastic easily.
Forstner bit if you have one works very well as long as you can clamp the handle well.
If you do not have a forstner, (and do not want to get one...I would if I were you though), then just drill out with the twist bit you are using now to clean this up as best you can. Then a sanding drum on a Dremel works a real charm to get all the residue out (dust mask and eye protection a must).
If you do not have a Dremel a dowel with a wrap of coarse sandpaper works too as can a sharp wharncliffe knife.
Take it easy drilling down through the resin junk. You do not want the bit to wander or catch.
Forstner bit if you have one works very well as long as you can clamp the handle well.
If you do not have a forstner, (and do not want to get one...I would if I were you though), then just drill out with the twist bit you are using now to clean this up as best you can. Then a sanding drum on a Dremel works a real charm to get all the residue out (dust mask and eye protection a must).
If you do not have a Dremel a dowel with a wrap of coarse sandpaper works too as can a sharp wharncliffe knife.
Take it easy drilling down through the resin junk. You do not want the bit to wander or catch.
Once you have that collar thing out you may find the top of the handle is undercut.
This presents some challenges to setting the new knot as there is a large void around the hair.
I had this issue on my EverReady 150. I ended up overfilling with liquid epoxy as I set the knot, hoping the epoxy would completely fill that void....not the best way.
I should have taken epoxy putty and pressed it all around the top overhanging part of the handle. Let that cure then redrill a nice clean hole to set the new knot it....much less messy and a better job at the end I think.
This presents some challenges to setting the new knot as there is a large void around the hair.
I had this issue on my EverReady 150. I ended up overfilling with liquid epoxy as I set the knot, hoping the epoxy would completely fill that void....not the best way.
I should have taken epoxy putty and pressed it all around the top overhanging part of the handle. Let that cure then redrill a nice clean hole to set the new knot it....much less messy and a better job at the end I think.
If the knot you intend to set is smaller than that collar thing...you may want to consider leaving it in place to avoid the void....
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Thanks for the tips. When you say "undercut" do you mean that little ridge? Once you get passed that little ridge on the top the hole itself is completely straight. I got the collar out. The hole is about 22mm and I intend to buy one of the Golden Nib 20mm knots. Any other tips? Thanks.
I restored a similar Made-Rite and used a TGN 20mm Best Badger knot and the 22mm opening was the perfect size. The knot was 62mm long and I set it in the opening 16mm deep but had the handle depth drilled/filled to a depth of 17mm and filled the hole with 3-4mm of epoxy and set the knot in and it worked great.
Looks good to me.
What is your depth?
Once you have the knot from GN....set it in there and decide about the loft.
You may want to go deeper or you may want to shim the knot...all depends on your loft choice.
That little ridge is what I was talking about. My EverReady had a bit more "hang over" than this one appears to have.
Fun stuff....addictive too.
Good luck with the knot choices.
The 20mm 2-band finest is a very very nice knot. I also very much like my 20mm Best.
What is your depth?
Once you have the knot from GN....set it in there and decide about the loft.
You may want to go deeper or you may want to shim the knot...all depends on your loft choice.
That little ridge is what I was talking about. My EverReady had a bit more "hang over" than this one appears to have.
Fun stuff....addictive too.
Good luck with the knot choices.
The 20mm 2-band finest is a very very nice knot. I also very much like my 20mm Best.
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Depth right now is about a cm or so. I am going to finish drilling it. I may pickup some sort of forstner bit this weekend to finish it off. So I see two options for dealing with the over hang... putty and drill or just sand the whole thing down to that level so it is flush.... Thoughts? Is it even worth it? Will i see it under the knot?
I was leaning towards basically just that knot. I have two other handles I am going to clean out and then order three knots. Thanks for the advice.
I am thinking of one nice soft one for creams and a slightly harder stiffer one for soaps. Talked to Tony about his suggestions. He said
Tony has some good advice.
I used an 18mm Grade A silvertip set at 42mm and it is a soap monster.
Loft is everyhing....I like mine low low low...42-45mm, so any knot I use will be for facelathering and fine on soaps or creams.
Most people are setting their knots higher than me....so I would listen to Tony.
At about 1cm I think you may have to go a bit deeper. At this point I would get a forstner bit and wait for the knots to arrive.
I would sand off that overhang as it can trap water unless filled. I have a small void in my EverReady that I am going to fill using a syringe and large needle with epoxy sometime soon. I don't see the void on my brush now that it has bloomed, but I know it fills with water and even though I take pains to flick it out to dry the brush I think this cannot be good over time. Soap residue will build up in there over the years.
I used an 18mm Grade A silvertip set at 42mm and it is a soap monster.
Loft is everyhing....I like mine low low low...42-45mm, so any knot I use will be for facelathering and fine on soaps or creams.
Most people are setting their knots higher than me....so I would listen to Tony.
At about 1cm I think you may have to go a bit deeper. At this point I would get a forstner bit and wait for the knots to arrive.
I would sand off that overhang as it can trap water unless filled. I have a small void in my EverReady that I am going to fill using a syringe and large needle with epoxy sometime soon. I don't see the void on my brush now that it has bloomed, but I know it fills with water and even though I take pains to flick it out to dry the brush I think this cannot be good over time. Soap residue will build up in there over the years.
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Thanks. I am going to wait until I get the other handles cleaned out to make sure that I know what size knots to get. Then I am going to order the knots and get the forstner bit to clean out the rest of the junk. Looking forward to it.
I still haven't decided if I want to epoxy the edge and then drill/sand it... or just sand the whole handle down to be flush with the rest.... I'll post pictures as I got though.
Others may weigh in on that too....
If you sand it out some, you may be able to shove a 22mm knot in there.
I find the 20mm knots to be right in the sweet spot for me, but I probably need a 22mm if I can find an old handle that will take one.
I have a UK 23mm Super that is a very nice knot, but super tall as it comes. I set it at 46mm....it needed about a 2.5 cm hole though.
If you sand it out some, you may be able to shove a 22mm knot in there.
I find the 20mm knots to be right in the sweet spot for me, but I probably need a 22mm if I can find an old handle that will take one.
I have a UK 23mm Super that is a very nice knot, but super tall as it comes. I set it at 46mm....it needed about a 2.5 cm hole though.
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I thought about boring out the hole... but I really meant sand it flat. The hole would be the same size... but the whole handle would be about 1mm shorter... not sure the best approach.
