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3P…an economical substitute for MdC?

I have been using my recently received MdC with great pleasure. It is an excellent shaving soap. It is as easy to lather and as protective as people say. What caught my eye is that the ingredient list of MdC was very simple. It goes as follows:

MdC ingredients
Stearic acid, water, coconut acid*, potassium hydroxide, glycerin, aroma.

Even more interesting to me is the similarity of MdC’s ingredients to that of the soft Italian almond-scented soap 3P, which reads as follows:

3P ingredients
Stearic acid, water, cocos nucifera*, potassium hydroxide, sodium hydroxide, parfum potassium carbonate.

*About COCONUT ACID: Coconut Acid is a mixture of fatty acids derived from Cocos Nucifera (Coconut) Oil (q.v.). There is likely more than one grade of coconut oil.

A major difference is that MdC is a relatively hard soap whereas 3P is extremely soft. I liken 3P to a relatively dry ricotta cheese. This is counterintuitive since MdC does not possess sodium hydroxide but only potassium hydroxide. It is the sodium hydroxide salts of the fatty acids that give soap a more solid consistency. 3P, as do many soaps, have both potassium and sodium hydroxide and would be expected to have a harder consistency than MdC. It is likely that the hardness of MdC is acquired during the at least 5 month drying period referred to on the website. No doubt this adds to the cost.

Because the ingredients seemed so similar I used 3P and MdC side by side for about a week and, to be honest they seemed to perform identically. 3P is every bit as easy to lather as MdC and the protectiveness of the lather also seemed equivalent. I would like to confess that after about 6-7 of traditional wetshaving I pretty much have my soap “hero worship” under control – there are so many excellent products I cannot really tell which is the “best soap.” In other words, there are probably several soaps as good as either 3P and MdC, but I thought that I might make the leap and suggest 3P as a more economical version of MdC. Although it is usually sold as a 1 kg slab for about $25-30, Connaught shaving also sells a 125 gram container for about $12, and a 10 ml sample for about $3. It may be of interest to some to try it as it does not get a lot of attention on the boards. Even if you personally do not think 3P is as good as MdC, I doubt you would be sorry if you try it.

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I have a bit of 3P pif'ed to me by Brothers, and it is amazing soap! Very soft; looks like it was almost starting to liquefy when I decided to leave the cover off. Great lather and post-shave face-feel. Had one of the best, closest shaves I have ever had. To me (not to others) the almond scent is strong, and the benzalhyde does cause a definite tingling on my face. Only had a sample of MdC, but think 3P is every bit as good; and is incredibly easy to lather.
 
Most soaps contain derivatives of the same basic ingredients - various fatty acids that are saponified with lye. Then fragrance and preservatives are added. I think the magic of MdC comes more from the process as opposed the the ingredients list, however this is beyond my knowledge.

If you're looking for a soap that is almost as good, but a lot more economical I'd recommend you try the RazoRock La Famiglia line (TFS soft soaps). I'm a huge fan of these soft soaps, and I find them as good as anything out there.
 
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Most soaps contain derivatives of the same basic ingredients - various fatty acids that are saponified with lye. Then fragrance and preservatives are added. I think the magic of MdC comes more from the process as opposed the the ingredients list, however this is beyond my knowledge.

If you're looking for a soap that is almost as good, but a lot more economical I'd recommend you try the RazoRock La Famiglia line (TFS soft soaps). I'm a huge fan of these soft soaps, and I find them as good as anything out there.

I've never used MdC so I can't really compare, but the RazoRock soaps are awesome.
 

brucered

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interesting comparison. I like the minimal ingredient list and description of a mild RR Classic scent.

I did not care for the scent of Cella but I do like RR Classic but it is quite strong.

3P has often been on my "want to try" list and this may have nudged it over.
 
A major difference is that MdC is a relatively hard soap whereas 3P is extremely soft. I liken 3P to a relatively dry ricotta cheese. This is counterintuitive since MdC does not possess sodium hydroxide but only potassium hydroxide. It is the sodium hydroxide salts of the fatty acids that give soap a more solid consistency. 3P, as do many soaps, have both potassium and sodium hydroxide and would be expected to have a harder consistency than MdC. It is likely that the hardness of MdC is acquired during the at least 5 month drying period referred to on the website. No doubt this adds to the cost.
It is definitely the drying time that makes the difference. Prairie Creations mentions this on their site on the About page for their faux MDC.

Where can it be bought in the US? I've searched a bit and can only find the pre-post cream
I've only found it at Connaught and Shaving.ie so far. Haven't found a US vendor yet.
 
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brucered

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so could one just simply dry out a kg of this to make it even more of a lather exploding soap?

1kg from connaught is about $36 shipped to CAD, likely the same to the US.

IB only stocks the Pre/Post it looks like.
 
so could one just simply dry out a kg of this to make it even more of a lather exploding soap?

1kg from connaught is about $36 shipped to CAD, likely the same to the US.

IB only stocks the Pre/Post it looks like.

Mine "explodes" without being dried out! Only thing I think I did wrong was to close the tub I put it in immediately after using it, hence it never dried after the shave.
 
3p's manufacturer most likely whips air into their batch, making it somewhat of a cream, if it's that much softer. It's unlikely that there's sufficient water content to really make that much of a difference in itself, and a few days open on the counter would quickly dry that out in all but the most humid environments. If I were to guess, MDC may do quite the opposite, and actually press their soaps to give it a firmer texture (which would be a good idea, since their mixing method would introduce a fair bit of air into the product even if it were not intentional. Also, since they definitely do this for their body soaps, I'd almost expect the shave soap would get the same treatment).
 
so could one just simply dry out a kg of this to make it even more of a lather exploding soap?

1kg from connaught is about $36 shipped to CAD, likely the same to the US.

IB only stocks the Pre/Post it looks like.


I recently bought one and it was $29 shipped to the U.S. - Just in case anyone was wondering...
I can't say about Mdc (haven't tried it) but 3p is by far my favorite almond Italian croap.
 
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