I like Arko. No advertising, no pretentious promises, just an inexpensive, great quality shave soap.
Drama solved.
Drama solved.
Has anyone been watching the downfall of HTGAM/PPF?
- Thread starter BabyFace34
- Start date
- Status
What this whole thing boils down to is that people don't like being lied to.
No, Joe worked with HTGAM to produce the Beach. No incrimination seen, implied or expected.
DingDingDingDingDingDing
I've read a few posts and determined the guy was not a child molester or something despicable along those lines.
I do have a HTGAM soap I got in a PIF that I plan to try since another B&B member sent it to me.
I'm thankful he isn't the only game in town, and we have a bunch of great soap vendors out there to try out!
I do have a HTGAM soap I got in a PIF that I plan to try since another B&B member sent it to me.
I'm thankful he isn't the only game in town, and we have a bunch of great soap vendors out there to try out!
There is so much BS in marketing now and anyone who shaved with cartridges and canned goop knows this only too well. I do not mind a bit of playful BS as an advertising stunt ("Red bull gives you wings", look where that landed them) I've dabbled in this myself in the past but the scale of this scandal is the size and associations. There simply was no need for it. Did he and/or they need to lie like this, and why did they think they needed to? I personally believe it's down to ego driven social media.
My trouble would be the products and their ingredients, were we lied to about these? Makes you wonder!
My trouble would be the products and their ingredients, were we lied to about these? Makes you wonder!
A wag once said, "Academic politics are so vicious precisely because the stakes are so small."
I get a kick out of those who say all companies do this, so why should we care? I suspect that these "gentlemen" are the same type that go to a brick & mortar store, get all the info they need to make a purchase, then save a few dollars by buying the item from an internet vendor.
The issue here has particular relevance to B&B. It seems clear that Mr. Hodges has created multiple sock puppets to praise his wares at all the shaving forums, including this one, under the guise of an objective user. This is a banable offense at every forum I know of, and for good reason. Spoiler: it's unethical.
That's enough for me, right there.
+1 Well said.
About what I was thinking. Why start anything when we don't have all the facts yet?
Guys... I have to come clean...
I'm really Mitchell.
I would have guessed, a Wookie.
Shave that beard you hairy hippie.
I still can't believe that someone would create a fake person on the internet. I mean now that that door is open you're going to have other people creating fake people as well. It sure was nice when we all knew that everything on the internet was true. This first internet lie has ruined everything. Thanks Doug Smythe for ruining the internet.
You can trust Stirling soaps a far as I know. Very good product, so give them a try.
Okay, but do you want the forums you belong to infested with sock puppets posting bogus reviews and other posts in support of himself? The forums would be rendered useless rather quickly, and I'm willing to bet that this is a constant headache for the mod team here at B&B.
For that reason alone, it seems to me that outing one of them is all to the good.
If you had asked me in July of 2013 about shaving soap and its potential for drama, I would have never imagined in a million years its potential.
I think the bottom line is that the CEO is just a young man with a lot of growing up to do. As well as learning responsibility.
I'm sure we all felt the same way after getting our first real paycheck.
I think the bottom line is that the CEO is just a young man with a lot of growing up to do. As well as learning responsibility.
I'm sure we all felt the same way after getting our first real paycheck.
Apparently I am on to this late, can someone direct me to a thread about what this is all about in the first place...?
NEVER MIND--found it..ugh..
NEVER MIND--found it..ugh..
Last edited:
He's not the first person to lie on the internet but he's also running a business. Having a marketing mascot or personality for a blog or podcasts is one thing but using pseudonyms & fake addresses to run a legitimate business & shill a product turns me off. But I never responded to social media hype or wiz bang marketing anyways.
I'll cheerfully stay away from anything HTGAM & PPF, too many good artisan soaps out there, Stirling, Mikes, Mystic Waters and the list goes on and on.
I'll cheerfully stay away from anything HTGAM & PPF, too many good artisan soaps out there, Stirling, Mikes, Mystic Waters and the list goes on and on.
Just wow... Granted I have a lot of reading to do, have only read a couple of pages of this thread.
The problem is I kind of like HTGAM the soap is good. I get decent shaves. I have 3 pucks of the stuff and my wife has two of the girl scents. After showing her this, we both agreed the damage is done we gave him money. BUT we both agree when the pucks are gone we will NOT be buying again. I just hope to find some more female scents for SWMBO
The problem is I kind of like HTGAM the soap is good. I get decent shaves. I have 3 pucks of the stuff and my wife has two of the girl scents. After showing her this, we both agreed the damage is done we gave him money. BUT we both agree when the pucks are gone we will NOT be buying again. I just hope to find some more female scents for SWMBO
Yes. A B&B member also showed that he was being willfully deceptive regarding his ingredient lists in order to make his soaps appear to be something they are not.
And, more frustratingly, he lied about being a military vet so that he could make a Facebook group that was only open to other vets and active military so that he could push his products on them.
+1 totally.
@shaversnapper, in addition to wanting to preserve the integrity of the forum for honest debate, believe it or not there are actually still people that care about ethics. And as far as "its just soap", you do realize this is a community where the focus is on the love of shaving as a hobby? People actually talk in great detail and with passion about such things as - soap.
- Status