shaversnapper, thanks but I'm at least the second person that shevek done that to on this same thread. If you read the other things that I've commented on, they were all politely worded questions from an admitted noob. I don't post on this forum much because I find the format of the site itself a touch cumbersome and I didn't really get much feedback from the questions I did ask but to each his own, I know a lot of people like this site. While falling down the rabbit hole of this nonsense this morning, I stumbled across this thread and thought for what it was worth, I would throw my two cents in.
Has anyone been watching the downfall of HTGAM/PPF?
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Horrible, horrible. Shame on you Doug/Hodges.
Now for everyone else, it is critically important that you immediately send me all of your tins of CaD and The Beach for immediate disposal so we can teach this guy a lesson.
Now for everyone else, it is critically important that you immediately send me all of your tins of CaD and The Beach for immediate disposal so we can teach this guy a lesson.
Well, the old axiom is that there is no such thing as bad press. I would have to beg to differ. I don't think his numbers are going to up one single bit because of this whole thread.
Earlier, I said that the only action he could take at this point was to come completely clean and make a humble and sincere apology. I also said that it up to consumers to choose whether to forgive him or not. A few people misinterpreted this to mean that I think we should forgive him. I didn't mean to make that implication. The only consumer I can speak for is myself, and I don't see myself going out of my way to purchase PPF or HTGAM products any time in the near future. That doesn't mean I hate this Heisenberg guy, or want to encourage others to cause him to fail. it just means that there are tons of other great products on the market, and once I get through all of them, them maybe I'll start looking around for other vendors to patronize.
Maybe this guy is young, immature, dumb or even mentally ill. I have no desire to see him suffer, but I do think that his reputation has probably been damaged to the point that it's going to be very difficult to salvage. But let the market sort that out. I still think it would benefit him as a human being to try to turn over a new leaf, and the only way he can do that is to be truly sorry for misleading his customers. I don't think he specifically broke the law, even though claiming military service is a pretty low thing to do. That doesn't make him a terrible person irreconcilably for the rest of his life. But for the sake of his spiritual well-being, he needs to look inside himself and truly see the error of his ways, and do everything in his power to make amends to those he has wronged. Asking whether we should continue to purchase his products after he's done that is kinda putting the cart before the horse.
You have to admit that the vendor has poisoned the waters a bit. Since he has been caught red handed creating accounts on forums where he was banned, and using those accounts to try to sway topics in his favor..this causes some members to HAVE to be on alert for this. I know I'm not the only one. It's sad really..and this is why a lot of us have expressed such concern and vitriol for these actions. If your account and comment is authentic, I sincerely apologize.
I keep thinking...Andy Kaufman.
I haven't been following this thread much, but I have a basic understanding of what happened. I find that it's unfortunante for both the HTGAM guy and for consumers. I just hope that it all resolves in a satisfactory manner to all concerned soon. No need for any of this to drag on.
They actual do teach ethics at HBS in many different ways. The problem is that ethics are learned and developed long before graduate school and unethical people cannot be "corrected" simply by attending a two year program. Just like applying for a job, it's difficult to glean the true nature of a person in the short time that they are being assessed during an admission interview.
Has the "angry mob/torches/pitchforks" comment been made yet?
Two words.......Milli Vanilli
I agree with you, but let the Mods do the job of the Mods and not jump to conclusions. Otherwise, we aren't showing much more integrity than those "on trial" in here
Hey...I'm certainly not here to judge anyone as I have a list of mistakes that goes on like a broken record
I've never used any of his products...But, since there are so many fantastic soaps/creams in the world of shaving I'll just decide to spend my money with folks that don't need to do these things to get my business.
I've never used any of his products...But, since there are so many fantastic soaps/creams in the world of shaving I'll just decide to spend my money with folks that don't need to do these things to get my business.
Shevek...you accused me as well of being Doug himself. In fact, a couple other people did as well. All this, despite having legitimate posts in other sections of the forum. Maybe do your research on a person to see what they have done before jumping the gun and calling someone out that isn't the person you think they are. Just because someone joined in October and only has a few posts, doesn't automatically make them a puppet. Before accusing me, or anyone else again for that matter, take a read of the threads I (or they) have started first. Omega out.
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