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luvmysuper

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Yesterday I found myself in a position of having a razor but no brush or soap (long story)
I grabbed the VDH "kit" that is commonly available at drug stores;

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Upon using the brush and soap in the kit, I was very disappointed in the thin, lackluster lather provided by these tools.
I have recommended this kit before to newer members as a cheap entry level kit. If someone had recommended this kit to me, and got the results that I got yesterday, I would have been put off wetshaving immediately.

I was determind to get to the bottom of the issue and see who was the culprit - the VDH soap or the VDH boar brush.

Today, I took out the VDH soap and my trusty soap buster brush - the B&B Essential Boar. In my experience, there is no soap that this brush cannot master.
I loaded up with the VDH and was rewarded with an adequate lather for the first pass, a lather that was a little sub-par for the second, and needed to reload for the third.
Still, the soap seemed to do ok if you used enough product.

Next part of the experiment - I used the VDH boar brush on two separate sure fire lather soaps;
Arko and Tabac.
Say what you will about the scent of these two, what there's no denying is that they are capable of making MOUNDS of lather with very little effort.

The VDH boar brush with both Arko and Tabac was capable of making a lather that was barely adequate for the job.

My conclusion - The VDH boar brush is a very poor choice for anyone, experienced or not, and could potentially put someone off of wetshaving if used by a newer wetshaver.
The VDH soap, while adequate for the job, is substandard to almost every other soap I've ever used, but it will work just fine if you have a decent brush and load the heck out of it. The biggest thing that the VDH soap has going for it is that it is generally available in just about every drug store you could look in.

To those who have followed my advice on picking up this kit as an entry level starter kit - my sincere apologies.
 
I used a VDH boar for travel for a while. After a long breakin period, the brush was good enough. Too scratchy for daiy use, but it worked in a pinch. There is the white-handled version that's supposed to have higher quality bristles, too.
 
This is actually quite a stretch, but VDH deluxe is the only soap I ever grated into a bowl and pressed it to mold. I kid you not, it lathers better than anything I own. Give it a shot. I am not sure if the ruggedness of the grating or the surface area of the grate makes it lather better than the VDH in puck form... But whatever I did, it's awesome. I lather for literally ten seconds and its good enough for 3+ passes. Give it a shot, it's not like it would do any harm for the cost of what you paid for it.
 
Yesterday I found myself in a position of having a razor but no brush or soap (long story)
I grabbed the VDH "kit" that is commonly available at drug stores;

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Upon using the brush and soap in the kit, I was very disappointed in the thin, lackluster lather provided by these tools.
I have recommended this kit before to newer members as a cheap entry level kit. If someone had recommended this kit to me, and got the results that I got yesterday, I would have been put off wetshaving immediately.

I was determind to get to the bottom of the issue and see who was the culprit - the VDH soap or the VDH boar brush.

Today, I took out the VDH soap and my trusty soap buster brush - the B&B Essential Boar. In my experience, there is no soap that this brush cannot master.
I loaded up with the VDH and was rewarded with an adequate lather for the first pass, a lather that was a little sub-par for the second, and needed to reload for the third.
Still, the soap seemed to do ok if you used enough product.

Next part of the experiment - I used the VDH boar brush on two separate sure fire lather soaps;
Arko and Tabac.
Say what you will about the scent of these two, what there's no denying is that they are capable of making MOUNDS of lather with very little effort.

The VDH boar brush with both Arko and Tabac was capable of making a lather that was barely adequate for the job.

My conclusion - The VDH boar brush is a very poor choice for anyone, experienced or not, and could potentially put someone off of wetshaving if used by a newer wetshaver.
The VDH soap, while adequate for the job, is substandard to almost every other soap I've ever used, but it will work just fine if you have a decent brush and load the heck out of it. The biggest thing that the VDH soap has going for it is that it is generally available in just about every drug store you could look in.

To those who have followed my advice on picking up this kit as an entry level starter kit - my sincere apologies.

That is why we take the handles and put better knots in them. The handles last, those knots shouldn't! :laugh:
 
Phil
I don't know if things gave changed in VDH or if one bad one slipped through quality control, but I have a black handled VDH boar and I really enjoy it!
I have two other boars, two Simpson best badger and a TGN badger. I find myself reaching for the VDH more often than not!
 
I bought a vdh kit about 2 years ago. The soap i liked. The brush sheds like a Labrador.
Save for the tweezerman, i can't think of a worst value for money.
 

luvmysuper

My elbows leak
Staff member
Phil
I don't know if things gave changed in VDH or if one bad one slipped through quality control, but I have a black handled VDH boar and I really enjoy it!
I have two other boars, two Simpson best badger and a TGN badger. I find myself reaching for the VDH more often than not!

It may be that I got a dud, but examining the knot - it's just like one I saw that a friend of mine had in that there seems to be something at the base of the knot that extends about half way up the bristles and effectively makes the knot truly about 1/2 the loft that it appears to be.
If you grab the brush and try to bend the bristles at the base of the knot, you'll see what I mean.
I think that this does adversely affect it's ability to lather.

I bought a vdh kit about 2 years ago. The soap i liked. The brush sheds like a Labrador.
Save for the tweezerman, i can't think of a worst value for money.

It does indeed shed like a sheepdog in summer.

Just don't let it happen again :a53:

I believe that we should examine the advice we give to others. As we learn new things, that advice may well change.
For some (and I am certain there are some out there) the VDH Kit may well still be a value starter kit. But knowing what I know now about other brushes and soaps - I can't in good conscience recommend it.
 
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Yesterday I found myself in a position of having a razor but no brush or soap (long story)
I grabbed the VDH "kit" that is commonly available at drug stores;

View attachment 363946

Upon using the brush and soap in the kit, I was very disappointed in the thin, lackluster lather provided by these tools.
I have recommended this kit before to newer members as a cheap entry level kit. If someone had recommended this kit to me, and got the results that I got yesterday, I would have been put off wetshaving immediately.

I was determind to get to the bottom of the issue and see who was the culprit - the VDH soap or the VDH boar brush.

Today, I took out the VDH soap and my trusty soap buster brush - the B&B Essential Boar. In my experience, there is no soap that this brush cannot master.
I loaded up with the VDH and was rewarded with an adequate lather for the first pass, a lather that was a little sub-par for the second, and needed to reload for the third.
Still, the soap seemed to do ok if you used enough product.

Next part of the experiment - I used the VDH boar brush on two separate sure fire lather soaps;
Arko and Tabac.
Say what you will about the scent of these two, what there's no denying is that they are capable of making MOUNDS of lather with very little effort.

The VDH boar brush with both Arko and Tabac was capable of making a lather that was barely adequate for the job.

My conclusion - The VDH boar brush is a very poor choice for anyone, experienced or not, and could potentially put someone off of wetshaving if used by a newer wetshaver.
The VDH soap, while adequate for the job, is substandard to almost every other soap I've ever used, but it will work just fine if you have a decent brush and load the heck out of it. The biggest thing that the VDH soap has going for it is that it is generally available in just about every drug store you could look in.

To those who have followed my advice on picking up this kit as an entry level starter kit - my sincere apologies.

I have a similar experience on my third pass on my soaps when I use the B&B Essential Boar. It will lather like the devil but I need to reload after the second pass. I have no problem with this though since I am trying to go through some soap now to find my perfect soaps.
 
I started out with the VdH "luxury" kit:
http://www.amazon.com/Van-Hagen-Mens-Luxury-Shave/dp/B004L4EING

I found it to be quite a good setup. The brush (badger) was probably the weakest link, but the soap was great and the mug is very nice. For $30 I think it is a good value, but certainly not the cheapest way to go.

I don't know if the soap in the luxury set is different from the "premium" kit, but I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it.
 

luvmysuper

My elbows leak
Staff member
I started out with the VdH "luxury" kit:
http://www.amazon.com/Van-Hagen-Mens-Luxury-Shave/dp/B004L4EING

I found it to be quite a good setup. The brush (badger) was probably the weakest link, but the soap was great and the mug is very nice. For $30 I think it is a good value, but certainly not the cheapest way to go.

I don't know if the soap in the luxury set is different from the "premium" kit, but I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it.

The soap is indeed different. The regular kit is the flesh pink melt and pour stuff.


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I have been slogging along with that brush as the only one I own so far, and making lather with it.

I guess I need to buy a better brush and see what I have been missing.

I went ahead and took that advice and bought that kit as my starter. :)
 
I must have been really lucky.... I bought a VDH boar brush from a local CVS pharmacy and while its plain white (faux ivory) handle is a bit dull to look at the brush itself has broken in very well and is now a very nice brush... has nice backbone and just a touch of scritch that feels good when lathering. The bristle ends have also split well, and to be honest, I really wish the Semogue 1305 would hurry up and break in as nicely (the VDH brush isn't that much older).

I also like the soap (well, I have the Deluxe or was it called "Luxury"... it was a while ago, which I understand is actually preferred to "Premium"). I bought it at my local Walmart as my first soap, and while it took a while to learn how to lather well with soaps, I find it a consistent and slick lather with a nice, subtle but clean scent. I have only a little left of that puck but I will replace it when its gone.
 
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i was sent this same kit when i first started.... luckily, I ordered the omega 49 which arrived shortly after... let's just say that the vdh did not receive much use upon the arrival of the omega!!
 
That hard stuff at the base is a glue bump and yeah it effectively reduces the knot and the amount of lather it can hold. I saw the same kit, even the VDH Luxury kit I have, neither of them are really great for shaving. A lot like the AOS starter brush, it's technically a brush you can use to shave, but not very well designed for the purpose.

I've got to find a good first brush to recommend to people. I find the $15 Semogues to be too stiff and take too long to break in. A good sized Omega would better serve new shavers as I find they break in fairly quickly. Obviously a nice soft tipped badger would be great out of the box but usually pretty expensive. I had terrible luck with a Tweezerman.

I haven't tried one, but the Omega 10066 looks like a great first brush. Under $15 shipped online, 24mm knot and 56mm loft are very good for a boar. The B&B Essential though seems to be the best value out there for brushes.
 
I started out with the VdH "luxury" kit:
http://www.amazon.com/Van-Hagen-Mens-Luxury-Shave/dp/B004L4EING

I found it to be quite a good setup. The brush (badger) was probably the weakest link, but the soap was great and the mug is very nice. For $30 I think it is a good value, but certainly not the cheapest way to go.

I don't know if the soap in the luxury set is different from the "premium" kit, but I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it.

The soap is different. The cheaper set uses VDH Deluxe, and the Luxury kit uses VDH Luxury. VDH Luxury soap is in 3" pucks and VDH Deluxe, Select, and Glycerin are 2 1/4" pucks. Luxury soap provides a richer lather.
 
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