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Our company provides two sorts of pens, Pilot retractable ballpoints which are not bad as such things go, and Pilot G2 rollerballs which are actually very good. Of course, I'm the eccentric who brings his own pens, and fountain pens at that.

I was talking briefly with a couple of co-workers about the company pens. I said something about the rollerballs being better because they were so much smoother. One fellow said that he preferred the ballpoints, because the rollerballs were too smooth.

Well, he's a friend, and some months back I actually lent him a Safari and gave him a Varsity so he could try fountain pens. It didn't take, and he went back to ballpoints. I can see how he might not appreciate smoothness, he doesn't write cursive at all, and his printing is pretty awful; you wouldn't think that printing could be that illegible.:laugh: He's also not currently the type to sit down in front of a notebook and write for even fifteen minutes straight. But that's another story.

I was just thinking about the idea of "too smooth", though. I can imagine a nib gliding across the paper so smoothly that it was impossible to control, but this is not something that has actually come up with any pen that I have. The feel of the nib gliding "effortlessly" is one of the best things about fountain pens, but various levels of smoothness are within the comfort range. I do have some nibs which are smooth enough that I don't believe I'd need anything smoother. On the other hand, I can see the point of view of a typical ballpoint user, for whom the smoothness of even a good rollerball represents loss of control.

What do others think? Have you ever tried a pen that was so smooth you couldn't control it? If so, did it make you want to learn to control it, or did you prefer to go back to something a little less smooth?
 
I don't know that the nib itself can be "too smooth", I do think the combination of weight of the pen and the smoothness of the nib leads to a miscategorization of "too smooth" though. I found that with the Lamy pens I've tried. Just way too light I felt like I had no control over the pen or the way I was writing. No real feedback from the nib which to me equates to a smooth writer. With the lack of weight in my hand I had trouble keeping pen to paper. With my heavier pens (either of the Viscontis or Sheaffer) I've got a nice smooth nib that doesn't give a lot of feedback, the weight of the pen helps keep me...centered I guess is the best way to put it. (I debated between grounded and centered. Feel free to substitute if you know what I"m talking about. :))

My Faber-Castell on the other hand is not as smooth. There's a bit of feedback on the pen which is fine for me. For the price of the pen (costs about the same as a Lamy Safari up here) I expected "meh" quality and got pretty good quality so I'm not complaining.

One of the ladies I work with has tried both my Sheaffer and my Faber-Castell, loved the smoothness of the Sheaffer, did not like the FC all. Maybe with a heavier pen your coworker would appreciate it more?

Cheers,

M.
 
I'm not a fan of super smooth nibs.
I only realized that when I got a cursive italic nib.
(curse you BrianW! :tongue_sm)

Now I like them to have a little bite on the page.
If I had time and money enough I'd get all my nibs ground.

The two smoothest nibs I've ever had are on a Cross Townsend (which I no longer own) and on my vintage Montblanc 149.
 

nortac

"Can't Raise an Eyebrow"
Prior to my recent foray into fountain pens, I used and on occasion still use a Pilot G2 rollerball and like the way they write. My first FP, a Lamy Al Star with a "fine" point (more like a medium?) is fairly smooth. I do wish it weighed more, but it is controllable as is. My vintage Sheaffer Balance Vac-fill, which I believe to be a true fine point, writes very well with a bit more feedback without being "scratchy" on paper. My Sheaffer Balance (Slim?) lever fill has a very fine/extra fine ( ? ) nib and is very scratchy, feels like I'm writing with a needle in comparison to the others, but still writes well. I to, would like a pen that is heavier without excessive barrel size that is as smooth as the Lamy or the G2 roller ball. I have yet to try an italic nib, so I have no comparison there.
 
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I have to write more with it, but my Pilot Custom Heritage 91 has a 14k gold M nib that is butter-smooth. It's almost too smooth for me at the moment.

My Pelikan M200 is also very smooth but I can tell there's a little feedback in the nib; I don't mind that at all when I write.
 
There is a difference between a scratchy nib that catches the paper and one that has a little drag or bite to it.
It is a fine line and difficult to measure. What's smooth to me might be too rough for you.
 
I prefer roller ball pens over ball point. But I have found both good and bad ones with both. Around where I work it's every man for himself if a company gives us some promo pens. The last year or so I have started getting my own, I am tired of ink that runs out after a couple of days, I also like a smoother writing pen. I am currently waiting for my Lamy Safari can not wait to see how that feels in my hand. Not sure I will use it at work though.
 
I agree that the nib is the main factor in 'smoothness' and feedback to the writer, but I've found that some inks can really change the way a pen acts on the paper.
 
My 3B Pelikan M800 nib is as smooth as it gets, seems to just ice skate effortlessly over the paper. I really enjoy using it!

On the other hand, I can see Marc's point with liking to feel some feedback with writing.
 
Wow, i had never thought that a pen/nib could be too smooth! i guess i would adjust to it. i have very limited experience with FPs, but the ones i have i have never had any issues with any being too smooth!
 
I do like a nib with some feedback, but can't stand it to be "too" scratchy on the paper. I do have a pen that is just a fuzz too smooth, it's the nib on my Sailor Samiko B...I have to really force myself to slow it down.
 
I really dont like medium rollerball, they are too "smooth" , a bit finer point and i am good. Felt same way about a medium italian nib , it was smooth but a different smooth from my kaweco callig.
 
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